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Re: 40K ARMY LIST: The Steel Speculum

Jeff Dunster — Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:46:37 -0000

Astropath's bonus to reserve rolls does not stack.

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Inquisitor Hate Machine — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 01:28:15 -0000

man, you are really annoying.

@LoD: We play 2K lists up here in Austin, Dunno about you guys down in Houston...

Re: 40K ARMY LIST: The Steel Speculum

mkerr — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 01:11:07 -0000

Love it!

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mkerr — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 16:26:02 -0000

Starting with the new Space Marine codex, you're able to customize the special characters to your Chapter/Regiment so there's no need to justify why a Cadian special character is appearing in a Valhallan army.

"Alternatively, you can use the model and rules for a named character to reprsent a mighty hero of a different Chapter -- for example, using the rules and model for Marneus Calgar as the Chapter Master of the Imperial Fists, or a Space Marine Chapter of your own design -- you just need to come up with a new name."

For example, my regiment is the XX Cadian Shock Troops. I have a colonel that uses the rules from Lord Castellan Creed, but he's not Creed. I also have a Cadian captain that uses Captain Al'Rahem's rules.

You have to change the way you look at special characters in 5E -- they are basically the new "0-1".

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TSINI — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 07:06:29 -0000

different names will be the fluff. the same as thats pretty much the fluff for every single space marine army that has pedro kantor, sgt chronius, etc etc and isnt an ultramarine army

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Toffer — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 04:13:42 -0000

TrevytheGreat, Mantikor, jdubb40k

I agree. Having the high command of 2 different IG regiments from different planets/subsectors/whatever fighting in the same force? I am interested to know the fluff for this.

Re: 40K ARMY LIST: The Steel Speculum

mkerr — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 23:06:01 -0000

That's how I read it too. One roll per platoon for reserves, one roll per unit for outflanking side.

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mkerr — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 21:49:41 -0000

It also makes it easier now that the Platoon Command Squad and all 5 Infantry Squads are a single Reserves roll.

Re: 40K ARMY LIST: The Steel Speculum

mkerr — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 21:46:50 -0000

A heavy weapon team is a single model (2 wound) now. The model is armed with a Lasgun and a Heavy Weapon, but it can only fire one of them in the shooting phase.

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bullymike — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 15:41:22 -0000

codex: "is rolled for collectively when rolling for reserves."
rb: "when an outflanking unit arrives from reserve the controlling player rolls a dice"

yeah i guess.

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Mantikor — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 13:40:26 -0000

@chaosgerbil

Take a Heavyweapon Squad, put it into a Chimaera and my example CAN happen ;)

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BuFFo — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 13:15:23 -0000

Yes, but the Veterans don't. How are the veterans scouting?

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RealGenius — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 13:02:12 -0000

Now I totally want to make a squad of Veterans with yellow helmets.

The Fightin' 243rd, Fist of Kerr, from Costa Monty.

Re: 40K ARMY LIST: The Steel Speculum

Menos — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 10:59:08 -0000

I remember a WD FAQ about this.
It said only one lasgun per team. The
reason being that the gunner is too busy
or strained carrying the heavy weapon
to fire or carry lasguns.
( I always model a second lasgun on
the 50mm base, but its for decoration.
If you drill and pin the loader its easy
to remember which teams have
suffered a wound).

Re: 40K ARMY LIST: The Steel Speculum

Catzilla — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 09:57:05 -0000

I agree with you TSINI, I expect GW to come up with a similar FAQ like the Imperial 4.0 one though where they say:

"Heavy weapon teams are supplied with a large base to contain both crewmen and the weapon. Treat them as two separate models that are based together for convenience of movement."

Maybe they make an extra rule for them that goes along with 5th, however with the new order systems in the guard codex the rare occasions when you would prefer to shoot the lasguns instead of the heavy weapon might become a bit more common. I predict a FAQ is coming for this, rather more quickly than people on this blog expect it to happen actually.

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jwolf_bols — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 09:55:40 -0000

You make one roll for an infantry platoon to enter from Reserves, but it is not required that you deploy the platoon together. It appears to me that Al'Rahem's platoon would roll for the outflanking position of each unit, since it is given no special rule that prevents them from coming in all over the place.

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Chaosgerbil — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 09:54:15 -0000

I "feel your pain." Converting a model to be within the them of your squad and abiding by the rules and equipment in the book is kind of an ad hoc solution. It would have made more sense to give more options for your sneaky squad but it didn't turn out that way.

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Chaosgerbil — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 09:51:36 -0000

Well I think we have to go by the RAW in this particular case, despite how things have worked in the past it is a new book. One infantry model can only fire one gun.

I don't think the crewman firing the big gun would have a lasgun too, but if the heavy weapon base wants to rapidfire a single lasgun I guess that's ok.

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jwolf_bols — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 09:42:14 -0000

I use a medic in my more expensive command squad that is full of advisors and plasma weapons. I also give them carapace. The combination means that when they get shot out of their Chimera, they tend to all survive, and they're quite resilient from small arms fire as well (including Heavy Bolters, if they have cover). Since command squads draw a lot of fire, the points are well spent making this fire magnet more durable.

Re: 40K ARMY LIST: The Steel Speculum

TSINI — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 09:13:56 -0000

love it

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TSINI — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 08:51:36 -0000

but now from a purely rules point of view, they are a single 2 wound model and no single model can fire 2 weapons from a rules point of view that we know of so far.

so its a bit of a stretch of imagination to allow the 2 halves of the same "model" to fire

its a bit of that Rules as intended rather than rules as written... which as discussed before, is left too much to interpretation.

i mean its never going to be an issue to me or my friends as it makes total sense they can fire either 2 lasguns, or a heavy weapon and a lasgun,

but its the kind of thing a tournement kinda guy could just say "show me where it says it can fire 2 weapons"

Re: 40K ARMY LIST: The Steel Speculum

Catzilla — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 08:44:58 -0000

I think this was a topic of a previous FAQ. When moving, heavy weapon teams can only shoot their lasguns. When stationary, they can choose what to shoot.

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TSINI — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 08:43:13 -0000

thats not a bad idea. but there are other attributes which will be odly replicated into every sneaky squad

like the fact he has feel no pain, and an unnatural strength of 4

i mean in a catachan army these traits fit in really well, but in other armies, it begins to get tedious explaining why your sneaky squad is lead by a behemoth of a man toting a heavy weapon. when in reality it would be a smaller man with a knife and a silenced pistol, not that you couldnt field this as a normal sergeant, but you don't get the cool movement rules.

Re: 40K ARMY LIST: The Steel Speculum

TSINI — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 08:33:07 -0000

i've got my copy here and the heavy weapons squads (3 heavy weapon teams) still has "Lasgun" listed in its Wargear list.

so you could argue they still carry lasguns and should be able to fire them.

bit of a black hole rule gap :D

Re: 40K ARMY LIST: The Steel Speculum

Chaosgerbil — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 08:31:31 -0000

I see... that makes everything pretty consistent. If you get a few tricklers in on turns 3 or 4 that could be just fine, since most of your force showed up on turn 2.