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Bell of Lost Souls: 40K CONSPIRACY THEORY: Marine Statue Kit?

  • magiler · 1 month ago
    You guys are crazy. Go look for some MI5/MI6 job....
  • noogai18 · 1 month ago
    It's very cool, but, is it just me or do those legs look sorta goofy?
  • Daniel · 1 month ago
    Yeah, I think it looks like "OMG I´ve been standing here for days and I ned to pee".

    The rest is cool though.
  • Wowbagger · 1 month ago
    As if GW would release a model of a Space Marine standing up straight.
  • angelusmortifer · 1 month ago
    I've wanted one (who am I kidding - SEVERAL!) for ages but never really had the chance to mention it, and I naturally assumed this would be a GW-keepsie specifically for their WD battle reports and displays. They would certainly get money out of me if they released them - and yes GW, this is me asking you to release them :)
  • Commisar_Xi · 1 month ago
    I agree. I'd love a pile of these for my cityfight board.
  • jon · 1 month ago
    they will look bigger than you'd think, 3 ups work on the principle of 3 times the size of every incriment, i.e, 28 mm, 84 mm, 252 mm,
    the reason they look like multi part kits is cause they are, it's how they machine the moulds, with a device that traces the contours of the pieces as it etches the 1 up at the same time,
    allthough obviously this wont stop them making jumbo sized collectors pieces someday :)
  • Killyourown · 1 month ago
    well, for a 3up it's a bit big... and I don't think the legs feature on any of the new wolf minis. It may just be a resin cast of a nicely sculpted marine that they will want to keep using for this type of thing rather than an inteded kit.

    Either way, I want one :p
  • Kromvolt · 1 month ago
    http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProdu...

    Nuff seen, they will be comming along soon, i will want three or four anyway
  • Anonymous · 1 month ago
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  • TheDude · 1 month ago
    It's much too big to be a 3-up...... It's more like 5-up in size. So that's an untrue description.

    Looks like a plastic kit, and GW denying it being a plastic kit.
  • Warboss Blackmane · 1 month ago
    Would they really do such a thing? Maybe...perhaps...okay yeah
  • kefka · 1 month ago
    seeing these statues over and over, I hope some are made, even if it is limited release. I would enjoy it greatly...
    however, I would not be surprised if GW kept these to themselves. Too expensive to produce or some other excuse.
  • stormboy · 1 month ago
    Look at the lukas the trickster picture, when he is jumping on the back of a lictor. There you can see a line where it looks like 2 pieces have been put together. Looks pretty plastic from that angle.

    http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProdu...
  • Eternum · 1 month ago
    Absolutely. A resin casting has no need for a seam there - and a mold line isn't likely to be THAT straight or look quite the same. Also in the pic at the top of the article, one statue is only partially assembled and you can see (through the neck) that it is hollow. Rotocasting resin for something that size wouldn't provide much economy of materials and there is little need to reduce weight. Also, while it might be hollow, there wouldn't be a need or cause for a neck hole - it would actually be harder to rotocast a mold with that kind of opening. One more thing, the statues in the WIP pic have a decidedly plastic sheen - I can't describe very well the difference, but as I have handled and cast a fair amount of resin, those do NOT look like resin. And if it IS plastic, that means a steel injection mold and a substantial investment in the model. I think we'll be seeing giant space marine statues on our shelves in the relatively near future...

    *edit* also, look at the partially assembled statue and specifically at the right hand (the one that will end up behind the shield). There is noticeable draft there that is not at all needed for a rubber mold. Draft like that is only required for a rigid mold that couldn't flex around the curve of the hand and arm.

    And just when I was thinking I was going to have to sculpt one of the giant bastards...
  • xas · 1 month ago
    look at the leg.

    this gap is 100% from two plastic pieces not fitting perfectly.

    if it were resin there would either be no gap or one big enough to get greenstuffed before painting :)
  • Culial · 1 month ago
    yeah, that does look a bit sus, doesn't it...

    My vote is on plastic kit with greenstuffed fur added to fit the Wolves theme.

    Oh, and the shield on one of them definitely looks like it's had a Wolves icon tacked on...
  • Trevy the Great · 1 month ago
    The fur on the statue you can see in this picture is green-stuffed. The original models (seen at the top of this page) had cloth there, while the finals have fur. The hairs in it are also too curved and deeply recessed to pull off in a plastic mold. Resin maybe, but they had vestigial fingerprints in them.
  • Chaosgerbil · 1 month ago
    I'm amazed somebody made that Lucas model look good!
  • deuce1984 · 1 month ago
    I'm curious, are the terrain sets big sellers? Is selling terrain kits a legitimate source of revenue for GW?

    I spend far-and-away more money than I would like to admit on units for my lists. When it comes to terrain for my basement games, it is all homemade; if not by me then by my local gaming store.
  • ColCorbane · 1 month ago
    Have a look at some of the pics of battle reports people are posting on the net. It's rare not to find at least a piece or two on a table nowadays.

    If there's wasn't money in it, they wouldn't do it.
  • user@example.com · 1 month ago
    The basic craters are really cool, especially if you play other games. For 15mm SF, you can get a whole infantry fireteam or squad in cover firing from the edge of a crater, or park a vehicle hull-down. Relatively cheap, too.

    I have three sets, for those times when I really want to cover the entire table in craters, but usually I don't use more than two or three. I've considered making up some flooded ones, or making a fancier terrain piece out of them, but haven't got around to that yet.

    The second set (blastscape?) was way less useful in this regard. The old forest with three trees might come in handy for 15mm one day, so I've got my eye on it.
  • BrassScorpion · 1 month ago
    Terrain kits make money, hence the continual additions to the scenery line. However, they are much more a niche product than the model soldiers themselves. Terrain kits are popular with those Warhammer enthusiasts who are modelers and with those that have their own game tables. While that's only a portion of the total GW customer base, thankfully it appears to be enough of us that they keep releasing new kits.
  • sketchesofpayne · 1 month ago
    Kind of like how not every D&D player buys the Dungeon Master's Guide.
  • stormboy · 1 month ago
    Look at this picture later in the assembly process.

    http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProdu...

    This definitely looks like a multipart plastic kit.

    Wow. GW keeps dropping hints right in front of us.
  • themonkeyfeet2 · 1 month ago
    Yea they prolly cast them in plastic after sculpting them for ease and possible future use. And if I had to guess GW is prolly watching sites like this one to see if the figure gets a lot of attention in which case they may decide to release the statues for a holiday like Christmas. But maybe it will remain an exclusive for GW, who knows…
  • Killyourown · 1 month ago
    Injection moulded plastic kits cost a fortune to manufacture... if it is a plastic kit it WILL be for sale, otherwise it will be a massive financial loss. If it's in resin then it may just be something the terrain department made to use in various projects, in that case us mere mortals will never see it in the stores.
  • becko · 1 month ago
    I am still not sure. It could be a landscape modell for all the SM players around... when do I get my Eldar portal?
  • W_E · 1 month ago
    Exactly, while the main idea of 40k is 'Humanity's grim-dark struggle for survival' and it's actually understandable that most fights are done on the ruins of an IN city, an Eldar Portal would really go a long way of adding some variety to the setting, plus it could make (depending on size) a Eldar Storm Serpent conversion a tad more easier.
  • becko · 1 month ago
    Sure, you are 100% right. It is simply the old frustration from a xeno player about the amount of SM related releases.
  • Philipp Nordmeyer · 1 month ago
    Yeah I thought the same thing. At first I thought it's a 3up but it comes with a pedestal, it's too huge and doesn't resemble any known miniature.
  • AlphalasAlpha · 1 month ago
    i actualy have to correct you there. it seems to me to be based very heavily off of the company champion figure, as are the statues in rynn's city (plantestrike), around the templars buildings in the templars codex, and even in the 4th ed marine codex. they're all basicly the same figures, with different heads and weapons.
  • Philipp Nordmeyer · 1 month ago
    ok you're right :)
  • Voxnovanion · 1 month ago
    Forge world used to make a statue like this but of a Sister of Battle (and in resin, I believe). Those things fetch huge amounts on eBay nowadays (I know because I've been looking for them because they are now long out of production). So if GW were to release this as a limited release I'm sure they'd earn their money back.

    Didn't they also feature in the previous White Dwarf, as two statues on either side of a Space Wolves fortress entrance?
  • notimewasters · 1 month ago
    How about the orbital defence laser that is 'pressed into service' yet again?
  • Grotzooka · 1 month ago
    I am pretty sure that it really is a scratchbuild. I saw some pics of it being built but I cannot remember where.
  • themonkeyfeet2 · 1 month ago
    i think it is in the apocalypse book or something. It looks like amongst others pieces the guy made it out of half a hamster ball. but yea i think is just repainted it or maybe even just stuck it on some other building.
  • ted1138 · 1 month ago
    i doubt they would ever release anything like a 3-up, not unless they want to have it reproduced and sold on the black market.
  • karloss01 · 1 month ago
    i saw this on warseer a couple of weeks back, and i posted refs up of these statues in all the books i could find them in (in my collection)

    40k 5th ed rulebook
    240-241 - imperial palace
    255 - half burried ruin
    265 - only the legs remain

    5th ed Space marines
    front inside cover - painted bronze
    back inside cover upper picture - half sunken in back of the picture
    back cover - above landraider

    Planet strike
    29 - dead centre in the "trench" line
    65 - four on the tower (one on each corner)
    68-69 - two by the palace doors, one among the ruins to the palace's right

    5th chaos marines
    75 - upper right corner
    78 - between the two buildings in ruins

    they've been around for a while minus the furs from the SW diorama. there no way they have so many 3 ups for one model all exactly the same. they have a mold, but their just not sharing with the townspeople (I.E. us).
  • Killyourown · 1 month ago
    Your resoning is sound. Also they are bout 5x the size of the marine next to them (roughly). I'm 100% convinced they are just somethign the terrain people have made a master and RTV mould for and are casting resin copies ad-nauseum for various terrain projects.

    It would be a very odd kit to produce, as it doesn't really work on it's own as a piece of terrain.
  • Facebook User · 1 month ago
    It looks like they could be plastic kits. In the photo posted at the top of this article, the models are identical (aside from the missing arms). The neck guard is the same, the chest eagle detail is the same, the legs are the same, and so are the shoulder pads. If these really were three-ups, then I would have thought that GW would have had the luxury of using multiple different ones, not the exact same model twice. The right arm (with the shield on one, and empty on the other) appears to be molded to accept different accessories as well...

    If these do come out, i'm getting one or two.
  • Engelus · 1 month ago
    It'll come out.

    I have been noticing these in images for quite some time. its too much of an investment not to release it, but you know how GW's release schedule is staggered so we have some time to regenerate spending money.
  • Cam · 1 month ago
    Could this not just be a rapid prototyped (mass printer) model, and the points that look like they've been cut off the sprue are where the printing scaffold has been removed?
  • KellyJ · 1 month ago
    These would make a good foundation model for the old "Movie Marines" rules.
  • HBMC · 1 month ago
    "All except one... Those pesky giant Marine statues that keep popping up all over the place"

    All except two - the original Cities of Death sprue has never been released.
  • Aeon · 1 month ago
    In April there will be a terrain peice released thats in that Space Wolf Monestary thing; the only thing I can see that hasnt been released are the two statues...
  • CMDante · 1 month ago
    I very much doubt a statue kit would ever be released. With building kits you can at least get repitition of use, however statues are unlikely to appear in more than one or two occassions on any battlefield, meaning they wouldn't sell particularly well.

    That said, it's not beyond GW to make and release kits that don't sell well....
  • Deserter · 1 month ago
    When I first saw the pic, I thought they were defo a new terrain kit.

    After looking over the pics available in various places, this is what I now think:

    We've seen similar Marine statues turn up in various GW terrain pieces yeah? So I reckon they have the basic "large Marine statue", but it's just generic Imperial Marine. The "Space Wolf" statues are this same generic Imperial Marine statue, but with parts from the Space Wolf 3ups and the Chaos Warrior 3ups. If you look at the cloaks, they seem to be the Chaos Warrior cloaks, and the crotch-pelt seems to be from one of the Space Wolf sprues.
  • Noel · 1 month ago
    For what it's worth....you are all forgetting the old school plastics method - vacuum forming. It's likely that they take whatever 3-up parts they need, tack them together and pull whatever forms they need. That would explain the huge rough seam on the Lukas image. That would be WAY easier and cheaper than any other method to make a few showpieces for terrain. Just my 2 cents.
  • Killyourown · 1 month ago
    These are not vacuum formed.... way to much detail and way to much releif on parts. sorry.
  • LordSandwich · 1 month ago
    To heck with the statues! I want that table, dammit!
  • slxiii · 1 month ago
    three up, check the leg and wrist joints- GW wouldnt try to sell a model that messed up. It's clearly been hacked up quite a bit. carefully and nicely, but there's nothing to see here
  • theHman · 1 month ago
    I'd definitely buy a box (or more) if they came out with one. Especially if they were in plastic!
  • BrassScorpion · 1 month ago
    I've never expected that GW would release kits of the statues used for scenery by their studio, but I can say that if they ever did I certainly would buy a few myself.
  • jabbakahut · 1 month ago
    More importantly, the t-hawk in the spread, some elements don't look perfect compared to the FW model. Just like spotting the differences between the FW & GW valks, I wonder if this is one of those 'hint's in the open'
  • Cydalone · 1 month ago
    http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/spacemarines/7.jpg
    vs
    http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/common/xLarge...

    I'm sorry, but apart from a few details (tank accessories sprue?) and a slight variation in paint job (heavy bolter casing painted in black instead of grey), I do not see many differencies between the pre-prod T-Hawk model from FW, and that one.

    I find the many occurrencies of those giant SM statues more appealing.
  • templarsmonochromata · 1 month ago
    Anyone notice how they took the Templars fortress and gave it to the space yiffs?
    Sort of a big FU about how I suspect they're dropping the templars from future releases....
  • Marshal_Wilhelm · 1 month ago
    Why do you think that?
  • droppodstudios · 1 month ago
    These are CLEARLY plastic's;

    sprue chips,
    hollow,
    grey sheen,
    mould lines,
    joint lines,
    shots of mid construction of kit,

    = plastic kit

    that we can all agree on, yes?

    With that in mind could it be that the earlier ones were resin and the constant begging from the public to purchace them has nudged gw into making a kit version to go with all the new scenery.

    Therefore when they said it was a one off resin, yes that was true, but these are definately plastic.

    only one question now...

    how long till we can buy it? :)
  • daemoniusnemosis · 1 month ago
    They definitely seem to be plastic kits to me. As mentioned, they exhibit all the characteristics of a plastic kit.... shield and weapons swaps for example. Look forward in seeing them released.
  • meriwether's mom · 1 month ago
    First!

    Great marketing idea by GW - not. What's so bad about saying "yes this is a kit we've developed, but we're not sure if/when we will release it"? Better than lying and then going back on their word after.
  • frank · 1 month ago
    Wait a minute...

    They frigging stole the Black Templars fortress to make a Space Wolf one!!!

    :cries:
  • Colonel Klink · 1 month ago
    At the last Gamesday 2009 in Paris we spoke to Phil Kelly about those statues and planetstrike buildings - he "admit" those parts will be available in a near future. But I really don't think at this time it will be so fast.

    I'm sure those statues will provide us with many ideas for our tables ;)

    I really need to earn more money for my hobby LOL
  • peatreed · 1 month ago
    These are not possibly sw 3 ups - theve been around before the new release and, i doubt anyone could make sm looking like the '3 up' statue - maybe the kits only for the studio - maybe they said it was a three up to make it more of a suprise when they release it (if they do) as a kit!
  • McGobbo · 1 month ago
    If you look at the GW article there is also the same defence laser which has appeared in the Apocalypse book and other dioramas. Maybe that will be a kit too.
  • killyourown · 1 month ago
    "The statues of the Space Marine heroes that flank the entrance to the cathedral are made from resin models specifically built for the purpose". - From the imperial cathedal terrain article.

    We've now been told on several occasions that they are resin pieces intended for studio use. Time to stop dreaming methinks :p
  • oni · 1 month ago
    I believe we will see these, but will not be suprised if we don't. It's obvious that these things are a plastic kit and something a bit more than the standard 3-up. Honestly GW would be silly not to release these. It sounds as though there's enough of a demand for them. I know I'd buy one or two.
  • hokiecow · 1 month ago
    what does 3-up mean?