Molochi, agree with you on the close combat/shooty tech army with walkers and such. I reckon it'd be cool to have them show up chasing the nids into the galaxy, and it turns out the nids are as much fleeing from them as consuming the galaxy.
Poochute
· 6 months ago
That is actually a seriously interesting and viable idea. The Nids are totally eating everything, and taking over the place, but really they're running from something far smarter and worse. like a giant bug spray army type thing.
TSINI
· 6 months ago
now all i can see is an army of "Raid" cans floating along...
mexican
· 6 months ago
Best story idea yet mentioned.
Klemanius
· 6 months ago
I concur. It would blow minds, especially the collective mind of nid players.
AnonGuy
· 6 months ago
Kind of like that Species 8472 in Star Trek. You think the Borg are taking over the galaxy and are nigh unstoppable and then these things come along! I like it.
crunchyjuice
· 6 months ago
good story, but it would ruin the tyranid idea and what makes them so terrifying as an army
Kriga
· 6 months ago
I am so hoping for Araby, yet rumor sais non human. Too bad.
MeanAngel
· 6 months ago
Meh ... I don't know about you, but I'd much rather see all existing races being updated properly on a timely fashion way before introducing any other new race ... :-/
obsequiousmelon
· 6 months ago
I concour
Mr Day
· 6 months ago
I completely agree on this one, while another race would be nice i just cant see it working at this time. Get the other codexes finished, then work could start on another race.
Saying that if they do do another race i am quite keen on the "technology mimicking Jericko" that appeared in older fluff. They just sound cool
LEGION3000
· 6 months ago
That would be the JOKAERO. I doubt it would be them since they are an obvious fringe race with no standing army and little to no influence in the universe.
Madjob
· 6 months ago
That's pretty much what the Tau are as well, a minor alien race with little influence on the galaxy at large, but it's true that we don't need another such faction.
whitestar
· 6 months ago
If it's years off then they probably will have everything updated by then, or at least have a lot of them updated by then.
LEGION3000
· 6 months ago
I am glad someone put this post near the top so I didn't have to sort through 3 pages of posts.
GW is absolutely retarded for putting another race into ANY of their games. If they can't even update their current lineup in 10 YEARS adding another race is going to make the turnaround 15 years.
Anyway if we are supposed to give guesses on what the new race might be, I am guessing chaos dwarves. Those ones with the hellcannon have been converted about a million times by gw themselves so I would guess a full set is coming out.
duder
· 6 months ago
i came here to post this. Please don't do this GW, you can't keep the codexs you have out now up to date, and you want to add more?
xNickBaranx
· 6 months ago
Define proper and timely. How fast do you want it? Do you want your Codex completely redone every 2 years? Every year? I'm fully immersed in the hobby and I can barely keep up. I have $20,000 worth of minis accumulated over the last 15 years waiting to be painted. My friends who aren't fully immersed - who don't play every week. - they can't keep up. I've got friends who haven't bought 5th Edition because they only every got in a handful of games of 4th. I'd love to see a new race. I've been waiting for Adeptus Mechanicus since the 2nd Edition Black Codex. I say bring it on.
LEGION3000
· 6 months ago
I want my codex to be compatible and competitive with EVERY new edition of the game. What is worse, having to buy a new $20 codex with the new edition or having to buy a new $500 army because the new edition made your army barely playable and very un-fun? Necrons Represent!
xNickBaranx
· 6 months ago
I hate to say it but that's a gross exaggeration. I play Dark Angels, Orks and Imperial Guard. At any given time over the last 15 years 1 of my armies wasn't very competative - so what? This isn't just a game. Its a hobby. People need to step away from this "I want it now" mentality and the "if my army can't crush my opponents every game my list or my opponent's list is broken" sob story. Step back and enjoy the hobby for what it is. Its not all about competative game play.
The logic that if my army isn't a game winning powerhouse I need to sell it off mindset is flawed too.
Give me expansions. Give me new races. Give me even more depth. That's what I want.
I can put off a new Dark Angels Codex for another 5 years if they dropped an AdMech Codex. It would take me another 10 years just to get the AdMech to 1000 points anyway.
TSINI
· 6 months ago
i agree, the very idea you can play a game with (business related) power creep competitively is retarded. the game gets better and better and entices you to buy the newer armies. GW wouldnt be a very successful business if it didnt, so the codex's will get more exciting, and more powerful as the years go on, making playing them competitively in tournement technically redundant.
i say technically because in reality tourneys are still fun and are a massive part of the hobby, and you will often get that old codex army that wins or comes second.
the fluff however, only gets better and better the more its expanded and worked on. the universe is ever expanding, i for one never expected the strange 4 toed green dudes to pop up in the eastern fringe, and look forward to other such imaginative races.
sometimes its unavoidable that a race will become stale and old, the necrons are such a race, their entire fluff used to be based on them being mysterious destroyers of life, who pop up, kill everything, then leave. but thats not a very expansive fluff, despite the attempts to make them egyptian zombies with ghosty god leaders, which in the ned just confuses the fluff a little.
once the fluff is boring, the codexes will become neglected, until they come up with a new spin for the old army.
dark eldar, another such race, i know theres loads of fluff and stories about them, but they are kind of eldar with whips and chains, supposedly as feared as chaos, but i just dont see it. they need a revamp kick up the ass before they can bear the title "scary" i mean, the eldar themselves have a scarier model in the avatar than any dark eldar army i've ever seen.
LEGION3000
· 6 months ago
I don't give a crap about competition. But the fact is even non competitive games are a drag in this edition. Sure we can all wait for Dark angel codexes because the army isn't fundamentally broken by age. And if it was you could just use the regular marine codex that was release WITH the current edition. People look at you funny if you start calling your destroyer lord a librarian.
The point is the 40k universe is already too deep for GW to handle. If it was another company that actually kept up with their products then yes I would be all for a new race. But what happens in 10 years when they don't update that wonderful new AdMech codex and some new rule takes away combat servitors or something equally ridiculous.
Kannon Fodder
· 6 months ago
I'm guessing its for fantasy. While I'm not an expert on fantasy, they seem more likely to get a new army, since 40k is maybe dropping one, and merging 2. Its too full!
And if they bring back squats, I will burn down the GW headquarters.
TSINI
· 6 months ago
NOBODY LIKES SQUATS
even the squats are self loathing
Myu
· 5 months ago
I do not see the logic in your argument
TSINI
· 5 months ago
:D
can you reach the middle shelves?
Myu
· 5 months ago
With faith in the Emperor, and a Justice as my sword, there is nothing I cannot do!
t//B
· 6 months ago
Hey.
Screw you.
TSINI
· 6 months ago
i smell squat on you...
Myu
· 6 months ago
What's wrong with squats? I have some old cards with them on they look pretty cool to me...
Moriartis
· 6 months ago
There seems to be a ridiculous amount of speculation about what 40k army is going to come out, but i'm pretty sure that's due to a pro-40k bias, as i seriously think there is far more evidence it will be a fantasy army. As a matter of fact, i am pretty positive i know which army it is.
Chaos Dwarves
In the past, they have had a full blown Chaos Dwarf army, mentions of the army are all over the current rulebooks/army books(anyone happen to read the Ogre Kingdoms army book by chance?) unlike space dwarves or these other 40k races that are being mentioned that have been/are being removed from the fluff, Chaos Dwarves are actually getting MORE attention in the books. I even had the pleasure of attending Games Day LA over the last two years and both times Phil Kelly, when asked about new races, mentioned that they wanted to do Chaos Dwarves again, and while they didn't have an O.K. on it, he specifically said he was putting references to them in books so that they could "further open the door for them to be redone". That, for me, is more than enough proof to seal the deal as to the army in question.
Furthermore, they actually have current models in other armies representing their race. And, if you read the fantasy rulebook, they mention both Chaos Dwarves and Cathay in the fluff armies section, and since it's not going to be a human army, it's gotta be Chaos Dwarves.
Myu
· 5 months ago
Fair enough
Chaoslord127
· 4 months ago
Woot! I like the idea of Chaos Dwarves better then anything non-human that they could put in 40k. The only 40k army I think I would look forward to is AM.
pewpew
· 1 month ago
This was hinted at heavily at Games day Chicago it was allso hinted it could be a forge world thing to
MessorMortis
· 6 months ago
I dont care if they say its non human I hope its the adeptus mechanicus.
Kannon Fodder
· 6 months ago
Oooh forgot about them. That actually sounds like the most likely thing, since its the only race they have really talked about.
Savark
· 6 months ago
i hope it AM or possibly alien hunters
Tyrael Vladinhurst
· 6 months ago
technicly adeptus mechanicus are not human, so it could be possible
Xas
· 6 months ago
their biological parts are human but practically they are a race apart.
plastik skitari sprues would OWN everything there is, was and will ever be :P
Dajanitor
· 6 months ago
If they ever came out with AM i would put my SM and my little amount of chaos in a box, or on ebay.
Adeptus for the win!
art
· 6 months ago
FW has stated they are going to do an adeptus mechanicus release in the future
Eldorad
· 6 months ago
^^ Like art said.
BDub
· 6 months ago
Hmmm, Codex: Xenoshunters, eh?
GuyLeDouche
· 6 months ago
I'd be all for that. Better servitor models for my Inquisitor's retinue!
Paptimus
· 6 months ago
But would really Chaos dwarf qualify as a new race ? They already got an army book, back in the 90's... I personnally hope it'll be Demiugs. Squats have been dropped by GW, but they always stated that they wanted to redesign a space-dwarf race. And the best armies in 40K come from a reinterpretation of the GW esthethic cannon of their fantasy counterpart : Chaos, Eldars, Orks, Marines, Necrons... The dwarf army is a staple army of the WFB, but its conversion to 40K was perfectible. So yes, some squats figs looked goofy, but in the same era, a lot of orks and gretchins looked goofy, Eldars had a different flair, etc... GW hadn't perfected/stabilized 40K's ESTHETIC style.
So if they manage with the Demiurgs (which are not the squats but a complete reinterpretation of the "dwarves in space" archetype) to "futurize" the dwarf army's style, it could make for an OUTSTANDING result.
I'm not saying it because "dwarves in space are da bomb !!!", or whatever, but because the very essence of 40K's identity is the depiction of a future with heavily stylized esthetic schemes from the past, ie from the fantasy esthetic canon they built with WHFB. The best example would be the "future gothic architecture" of most imperial cities : that's what defines WH40K visually. And the very strong graphic identity GW built for the dwarves would still constitute a great esthetic basis for a futuristic race. That's why I say : bring on the Demiurgs !!!
pewpew
· 1 month ago
I could see them but in lock step and rank witht he Tau empire if you go with Battle fleet gothic Tau ships suck but their Demiurg allies OMFG are they nasty
Forhekset
· 6 months ago
...along with the Void Dragon awakening world campaign. I guess that'd be in like 999.999.999M41, otherwise we're ticking over to the End Time.
Oh well at least then all the Primarchs can come back.
Yeah maybe in like another 150 GW-years.
crunchyjuice
· 6 months ago
oh yeah dude they have daemons.... maybe theyll have ANGELS dude i got this thing down haha
Hunter
· 6 months ago
The emperor has his avenging angles , they are cald the Legion of the DAMD
TSINI
· 6 months ago
and lo, the emperor did hold high the holy protractor of terra, measuring thine holiest of angles with precision of that unknown by humanity.
Allandaros
· 6 months ago
Repent! For tomorrow you will be bisected!
MessorMortis
· 6 months ago
Ive actually thought of that idea before. Angels would be awesome. My idea was that the Emperor "dies" and ascends to warp god status empowered by his own power and ten thousand years of worship.
The army would work similar to chaos daemons except obviously holy themed. A Greater "Angel" (Arch-Angel i suppose) would look like the lord of change except with a double headed eagle body and wings like St. Celestine's.
Dextro53
· 6 months ago
Already been explored by GW. In the old Real of Chaos codices they discuss the "Star child" which states pretty much the same thing.
Since then, it has been directly refuted and is no longer considered canon. I kind of doubt they'd bring it back.
McNs
· 6 months ago
Squa... oh crap, time to reset the clock again...
Paul
· 6 months ago
Jervis Johnson, at the GD '08 after-meet, without any prompting from anyone, mentioned that there would be room for a new race addition after everything else got updated, with Squats being one of the potentials. Given enough yipping from the consumer, perhaps they're opting to give us what we want.
Anon
· 6 months ago
Of course, the question is, do people actually want the squats back, or has it mostly just become a joke for people to always bug them about squats.
I don't know just how much real interest in space dwarves there is.
Old shatter
· 6 months ago
No Squats please, they were a really dumb idea! please no more talk of squats. There was nothing cool about them.
Mighty Moj
· 6 months ago
i disagree squats were cool in epic, goliath canon land trains airships they rocked. Some upto date models and gear and they could be viable though i think they would be too similar to MEQ armies in style.
BDub
· 6 months ago
As long as we dont end up with 3ft tall zztop look-alikes doing screech!! skid attacks on trikes again....OMG was that stupid.
I loved them when they initially came out. Squats in Exo-Armor still look cool, but they just took a dumb turn.
I would prefer they be integrated into the Imperium like ratlings and ogryn than be there own race.
Mike X
· 6 months ago
Squats were an embarrassment in name alone to 40K. The miniatures (and fluff) made them even worse...
Conrad
· 6 months ago
I loved the fluff....the ORIGINAL fluff......
Sam
· 5 months ago
Also, some of the minis were pretty cool. at least in concept. Not the bikers, but the runic space-armored ones. They clearly need to be updated for modern tastes, but the concept could do very well.
TSINI
· 6 months ago
i agree, squats were, are, and will always be, dumb
they are the image that 40k is trying to rid themselves of, even fantasy is revamping its minis just to make them more grizzled and realistic (much more hollywood a la LOTR-esque)
nothing makes me more weirded out than that look squat owners get in their eye when they defend their army and say without even a smirk "everyone I know wants the squats back"
*shudder*
Theodoric
· 6 months ago
I was in the local GW Hobby Center the other day, asking whether or not there was concrete dates for the new IG tank kits. I proceeded to jokingly ask about new Squat releases and got a long, serious response about the Demiurg. I doubt that every single redshirt would be informed what the new race is at this point in time, but still, food for thought.
Forhekset
· 6 months ago
If it's done right, and seriously, I wouldn't have a problem with 'space dwarves' coming out from the shadows. We all know they're there somewhere anyway. But if they change it up completely and take the wrong direction I think it could be a cheesy disaster.
I can't even begin to fathom who else might be appearing. I mean who else could possibly fit? The entire Imperium is already bursting at the seams with carnage, the whole place is under dire threat and siege from all directions, and now someone else wants a piece of the pie? I don't see it happening.
Lizardmen
· 6 months ago
The "Old Ones" have returned from their graves, and are working to stop all the fighting.
Hence, now Necrons are the new fav army, since the Old Ones still can't beat the C'tan.
Hwilam
· 6 months ago
Squats never should have been their own army, they should have just remained a choice for IG. Heavy worlders are a staple of science fiction, but in a universe as large as this one they should only be a small fraction of the possible human types.
That said, a slow army would add another interesting, game changing element.
BDub
· 6 months ago
Maybe...just maybe they will finally split the genesteelers off from the tyranids and bring back Steeler Cults!
Still that merits only a mini-dex.
The only major military faction left in 40K that hasnt been spoken for is the Adeptus Mechanicum. This is a codex I've wanted to do myself for years. But I would be the first guy in line to get my plastic Skitarii & Secutor boxes!
Bring IT!
Hoplophile
· 6 months ago
Sadly, the Mechanicii are a (rather weird) part of the human race....
I really would love to see the mechanicum's exotic cyber-armies, but so far if the second part of the rumour is true, then that's a no-go.
BDub
· 6 months ago
I am hoping that the non-human thing applies to just WHF.
If not AM then what about Chaos Renegades like in SoV. I mean otherwise we might end up with Techno-Skaven!
Ultimately, I am in the "update you existing stuff more frequently" camp. What ever happened to their promise to do regular lists, mini-dexes and codex expansions in White Dwarf after 5th edition came out?
Kepora
· 6 months ago
A lot of people I've talked to have agreed with me that they'd like to see a "Space Skaven" equivalent...kinda like the Hrud before Xenology made them into those wierd....things...
But seriously, I think they would be a different, kickass army to play; I could se them working like the Locust from Gears of War, tunneling, popping out of the ground, and keep the Skaven nature by having their weapons be highly powerful by being dangerous to the enemy -and- to themselves. Who WOULDN'T want to play a large drill-tank-thing that could pop up out of nowhere and chew through anything in it's way, friend or foe?
pewpew
· 1 month ago
Alot of signs point to Chaos dwarfs but that might end up a forge world thing esp after they landed 2 places in the top 25 model count down one of them at number 3 Phallic hat and all some guy at gw was probley like WTF Really?
EmperorsWrath
· 6 months ago
We're ok, you didn't say it.
Chaosgerbil
· 6 months ago
..t
Brother_Marius
· 6 months ago
...s
fergot an S too :) I almost wouldn't mind seeing the space dwarfs... except didnt they claim they got all eaten up by the tyranids?
TSINI
· 6 months ago
"didnt they claim they got all eaten up by the tyranids?"
god i hope so
Miami
· 6 months ago
I believe Squats were eaten by 'Nids, yes. However, in the 3rd or 4th Edition rulebook (not sure which) there is mention of a race that is definitely NOT Squats, but are dwarf-like. I can't think of the name of them off the top of my head. I'll try to do some research and return.
Miami
· 6 months ago
A ha! According to Lexicanum, the Squats not only felt the genocidal wrath of the 'Nids, but apparently now GW has been attempting to remove them from the history entirely. Typical Imperium...
The race I was referring to is the Demiurg. Check them out on the lexicanum, there's a concept sketch.
Remember, though, a while ago there was an image of a decidedly squatesque mustachioed head floating around the internet. It was from one of the gamesdays, or GTs, or warhammer world open days or something.
Polyquaternium7
· 6 months ago
How about the Hrud? They are mentioned multiple times in fluff and codices, and how the imperium purged another "Hrud infestation" here and there. I think there was even a picture in the third edition Rulebook.
or maybe some other race from xenology
blinky
· 6 months ago
'Tis the Pan Fo.
anon
· 6 months ago
but it would be cool to see what they come up with.
EmperorsWrath
· 6 months ago
Fantasy possibilities: Nippon? Cathay? Well, not if the new race is supposed to be non-human.
40K possibilities: Hrud? Demiurg? Doesn't seem likely as those have been mentioned for years w/o much enthusiasm seen by the designers.
Real answer: no clue whatsoever as to what any new race could possibly be, and still be a viable, marketable army.
obsequiousmelon
· 6 months ago
Demiurg is squats right? What are the Hrud?
Drop Trooper
· 6 months ago
apparently they are 2 different races. Hrud, arn't they small in number? and tend to do the merc thing?
kafkadreams
· 6 months ago
Hrud are an old, secretive galaxy spanning race that generaly avoids open conflict. It's been said that they are Warp worshipers, and/or warp spawn/tainted but that may just be imperial propiganda. I think there was something on them in the Xenology book, but I'm not sure where my copy is. They get a mention in Dark Heresy in the Servants of the Dark Gods book with a weapon entry; The Hrud Disruptor or somesuch, which fires an energy beam that phases through the empyrean, and is aprox. the size of a large autogun.
Skuttle
· 6 months ago
They are an almost invisable race, able to manipulate the shadows to avoid being seen. The Xenology books says that they are on most imperium ships just out of sight. There was a disection of one but as soon as it was killed all physical material of the Hrud biodegraded leaving only bones and teeth really. They would be far too powerful in large numbers to be a viable army and it also goes against there oppertunist philosophy.
Forhekset
· 6 months ago
The amount of "third party" development the Hrud have gotten, with that info, no way it's them. No way would they even be fighting wars. They're like really odd nomadic creatures stuffing themselves into absurd corners of spaceships and hive cities.
But they do hold the secrets of the past...
scrub
· 6 months ago
Hrud fusil.
Anyway, they're more or less space skaven.
LEGION3000
· 6 months ago
That was the old Hrud. The Hrud have been re-imagined and look kind of like creature from the black lagoon. check out the Xenology book for their last incarnation.
I know its annoying when GW completely remake their fluff. Zoats anyone?
Madjob
· 6 months ago
Xenology is often contested as a reliable source of information. While it definitely has a lot of interesting tidbits and theories from the perspective of the Imperium, it also has glaring errors that go against an overwhelming amount of fluff and a few 'factual' problems, like the image of a Tau Ethereal dissected and having flat, toed feet. I don't like the idea of Space Rats either, though, and GW very clearly doesn't.
Miami
· 6 months ago
I'm glad to hear Xenology is contested by some, because I would much rather see space rats than that silly looking slime creature they have pictured as a Hrud. Plus, in the 3rd Ed. book, didn't the Hrud have a tail? The Xenology creature doesn't.
While I understand GW is no longer wanting 40K to be "Fantasy in Space," you'd think it would be easier to just stop mentioning races that getting incredibly little play (like the Hrud) rather than to try to entirely redefine it. Doesn't make sense to me.
Hwilam
· 6 months ago
Whatever happened to the robots? The ones that you had to spend points on their programs.. .which were little flow charts...and they had names like "cataphract" and "colossus."...
Menos
· 6 months ago
The Legio Cybernetica. Now they were corrupted by Horus, and ended up Dark Mechanicus.
MightyOrang
· 6 months ago
Which raises the possibility of perhaps the Mechanicum themselves ... Dark and Light. GW has been giving them increased press in all the Heresy Books - and they could bridge off a lot of established models (eg: Skitarii conversion kit for IG guardsment).
it needn't be a new 'race' per se ... as much as a new Army.
jack
· 6 months ago
that would be something for forge world to do like the death crops or renagades they could do it as imperial armour 8 as 7 is the last part of the SoV. I have also heared forge world are going do a chaos dwarf army.
Dextro53
· 6 months ago
This is the only way I could see the Ad Mech being interesting in the least and anything other than RoboGuard. Give them some weird rules, something on the level of orders (I also demand Knights so that we can avoid still more freaking tanks). Of course, with the whole attempt by GW to streamline all the rules, I see this as highly unlikely, unless orders represented the first inevitable step back towards complexity.
Miggidy_Mack
· 6 months ago
My bet is on something that can be a horde army with 10 man boxes and 2 point models.
I'm just saying.
MeanAngel
· 6 months ago
Something like 40k Skaven, right ? :-/
Miggidy_Mack
· 6 months ago
Yes, except they will be designed so that only HEAVY CONVERSION will allow you to use skaven models.
Frankly this means that effort is being put into a new race instead of getting the old codex's updated, and that worries me.
MeanAngel
· 6 months ago
Yeah ... :-/ Seriously, when we have the 5th edition of 40k and some codices haven't seen an update for the last TWO editions, now that in my opinion is NO TIME to introduce any new race. If GW managed to update all the new codices regularly, then why not. And yeah, because of this, there are codices that have become so obsolete and uncompetitive in comparison with the "new generation", it's not funny ... >:(
Miggidy_Mack
· 6 months ago
I know the new race would be YEARS out, but that's development time NOW that armies who need it won't be getting.
Unless they hire another game designer to do nothing but update older codices online. Say a recent graduate with a degree in Game Design who will happily move to England and toil away updating the games online initiative for peanuts. I know I'd do it :)
Moriartis
· 6 months ago
In response to everyone complaining about GW putting out new armies before updating old ones, you really need to just stop. GW is a business, and as such they need to constantly change and they need to acquire NEW CUSTOMERS, putting out new armies does just that, it gets new players involved, and it gives current customers excuses to spend more $$$ on new armies. How many of you wouldn't buy up a Nippon ninja/samurai army in a heartbeat?(hint, hint GW) And it doesn't matter what edition they are on, what editions certain armies are still stuck on, etc. etc. they are always working on each army, before their newest codex/army book even reaches shelves they are already working on what they are going to change about it when it gets redone again. And furthermore, they're gonna do it anyway, so complaining isn't going to do any good.
so be patient, calm the hell down and if your favorite army isn't uber awesome cuz it's outdated, just deal until it gets redone. And i'm not speaking out of bias on this one, i play orks, which, despite being one of the most popular armies in the game, took way too long to get redone, and i play ogres, which are one of if not the worst fantasy army in the game, and with how new they are, they aren't getting redone any time soon and you don't hear me complaining.
Doog
· 6 months ago
And you know what sells for GW and brings in new customers? Space Marines. I've seen their sales reports. New races almost never expand their customer base. Space Marines do.
sodcactus
· 6 months ago
There actually was Space Skaven back in the old Rogue Trader days... Damn, can't remember their name.
pierce raats
· 6 months ago
There is a very vague mention of them way back in WD 236 (september 1999) on page 13, in a short story by Gav Thorpe (for the release of the 3rd edition Eldar codex) ....
" ... Battle after battle raged in his thoughts,fights against alien abominations across the breadth of the galaxy, from the Skavengers in the earliest days to the relatively new threat of the Tyranids. ..."
Kepora
· 6 months ago
Any artwork and/or references to this that I could view would be AWESOME.
No Rats
· 6 months ago
Apparently there is a popular book series in Britain that has space rats fighting super-humans in high-tech armour.
From what I've heard, they own the "rights" to the idea, and therefore GW cannot legally release a space-skaven army.
E
· 6 months ago
I don't think they would be able to make that case for intellectual rights stick. Space rat-men are far too generic to be actionable.
chris
· 6 months ago
I think I know what you mean, it's a series of books of short stories, some of which are serial in nature, called The Fleet. It was written by a group of different sci-fi writers, including David Drake. It would make an awesome setting for a tabletop miniature game all by itself, as would Honor Harrington, Dune, The Night's Dawn trilogy, etc.
Allandaros
· 6 months ago
Huh. IIRC the Fleet stories were focusing on space-weasels and not space rats.
chris
· 6 months ago
They were just called Weasels by the troopers, because they didn't know the actual name of their species. They were awfully rat-like, though.
Conspyre
· 6 months ago
The Honor Harrington books have a minis game- Ad Astra Games makes a spaceship combat game based on their Attack Vector: Tactical system.
Sasquatch1916
· 6 months ago
DUNE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! imagine a friggin sandworm as part of a tabletop game
Anon
· 6 months ago
Just an FYI, you can't own the rights to an idea like that, the IP laws are nowhere near that broad.
You can have trademark over the name of your space rats, and maybe their symbols, you can hold copyright on specific designs of weapons and armor and the like, but you can't own the idea of space skaven.
LEGION3000
· 6 months ago
HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAaaaaa You have obviously never got a letter from a GW corporate lawyer. Granted you can't OWN the rights to an idea but you can SUE someone for infringement on just about anything. It doesn't matter if your case it totally bogus or not. Its just a corporate tactic to hurt a competitor. Have you seen the list of words that GW considers its IP. Its freaking ridiculous.
LordBoofhead
· 6 months ago
You sir are a tard!
That is a list of things you cant call a GAME or BOOK!
I can say Warmaster or Horus Heresy as much as I frigging want, but the second i call a book or game that I get sued silly!
Idot! Learn some basic copyright law before you coment!
LEGION3000
· 6 months ago
And you need to learn how to read moron. Nobody said anything about speech. We are talking about the idea of a copyright vs. a trademark. Trademarks are obvious big colorful logos and the like and not very disputable. They have nothing to do with ideas. Ideas and or expressions once put into reproducible form are copyright. Unfortunately copyright is VERY disputable and often is rather arbitrarily decided by a court. The fact is GW have staff lawyers that just sit around and write nasty letters to people they consider even remotely close to their extensive IP just to justify their retainer.
*edit: Not to mention copyright is only effective if actively defended. So if the publisher of the book with space weasels doesn't give a crap about making his book into a game he might not even care if GW made space rats.
TSINI
· 6 months ago
you got a letter from a GW corporate lawyer? what were you doing? selling warhammer T-shirts you painted yourself?
LEGION3000
· 6 months ago
Cute but no. I was producing a RPG called Warmaster at the same time GW was producing their battle game. I was probably the first person outside GW corporate that knew they were even making this game. As far as I knew it was a Milton Bradley owned title that had been dropped 10 years earlier and I didn't think a little RPG would show up on their radar. This is before MB owned wizards and DnD by extension.
In case you need another example, just look at Dreamforge and their "titans". GW pretty much killed their buisiness through legal action because GW thought the models looked too similar. Note they were not direct copies and the castings were original and totally hand made by dreamforge.
Bradley Wiggins
· 6 months ago
Come on... Space marines are ripped off from Starship troopers, I don't believe a book featuring space rats would stop an adaption of skaven in space.
TSINI
· 6 months ago
LOL
Hoplophile
· 6 months ago
Sadly, the closest equivalent to Starship Troopers' MI troops would be the.. *shudder* Tau Crysis suits.....
SM deploy similarly to Cap troopers (from the skies) but they are better warriors with lesser equipment. I tend to think of MI troopers as pilots and technicians more than soldiers.
The Space Marines are more like a cross between the Imperial Sardaukar of Dune lore and the genhanced tech-implanted warriors of many a cyberpunk/biopunk novel.... In sweet medieval-looking powered armour :D
buuuuuut.... You give jump packs to guys in terminator armour and you got your Starship Troopers hehehe
Poochute
· 6 months ago
Starship troopers is more of a social commentary than an actual movie. not even close to space marines
Crevab
· 6 months ago
Starship Troopers, the book. Not the movie. Biiiig difference
LordSandwich
· 6 months ago
Truth.
Grant Michael McKenna
· 6 months ago
Truth indeed. If I ever win the gazillion lotto, I will make the film of the book.
Dextro53
· 6 months ago
Actually the same could probably be said of the book. And all of Heinlein's work. They really are more social commentaries than stories.
TSINI
· 6 months ago
starship troopers wear tin foil onesies and white boots.
apparently they all walk around in circles singing about lost love...
Xamda
· 6 months ago
No no, that's Starship Troupers. Who, obviously, are the Harlequins.
*visions of the Harelquins coming into combat singing ABBA*
MaxisLithium
· 6 months ago
For Fantasy, Chaos Dwarfs would make the most sense. they will likly treat them as a 'new race; for terms of release, etc... I don' think there's any real room in Fantasy for a new race other then this, or somthing funky out of Cathey or Arraby, which would still be a Human faction.
As for 40K, the only whisper I have heared was regarding a new attached race for the Tau. It was said that they may get some sort of Centar-type creature as another race they have encorperated in to the Tau empire. This make the most sense, because it can be a single simple plastic kit which can fill whatever role they need for the Tau.
Beyond that, Perhaps the Hurd? I have no idea.
Klemanius
· 6 months ago
Yes I too was thinking chaos dwarfs. Man that would be awesome, especially as its a rather original concept to have dwarfs breaking from the standard mold and be evil.
Menos
· 6 months ago
The original concept for chaos dwarves being like mini Chaos warriors was much better than the Assyrian style ones with post boxes on their heads. The flying bulls and the centaur-style cav were OK, in the 2nd version, but the actual dwarves were bizarre - telephone wire for beards?
Allandaros
· 6 months ago
I dunno - the later Chaos Dwarfs had a style that was pretty unique. The Chaos Warrior aesthetic is wrapped up pretty well with, well, Chaos Warriors. :)
BDub
· 6 months ago
Racham did Chaos Dwarves better. AHH Blasphemy!...but true)
LEGION3000
· 6 months ago
Granted it was bizarre but it was totally original. Outside of historicals have you ever seen a model line that had a Persian influence. If they were able to do the Persian dwarves with today's aesthetic it could be pretty cool.
Menos
· 6 months ago
Ah! But if you look at the Chaos Dwarf cannon (Hell- something..), the crew are more in the old mid 80s style. Marauder miniatures - I think - I used to own a regiment of 20 as part of the original Kaon the Despoiler horde. The only bits of the 2nd incarnation that was any good were the monstrous winged bulls, the centaurs and the rocket artillery.
Roos
· 6 months ago
The 80's style Chaos Dwarves just stunk. They looked boring and had zero style.
pierce raats
· 6 months ago
I totally agree, The Assyrian - Persian influence could easily be redone and look awesome. Look at the movie '300' , how badass and evil did the evil Persians look? and they were only "normal" people- not Dwarfs corrupted by daemons and hatred. Chaos Dwarfs also have only truly industrialized culture in warhammer fantasy which has plenty of scope from development.
lol, in opposition to old tv programmes where the evil one would have a goatee, do you think the evil dwarves would be clean shaven?
Chaosgerbil
· 6 months ago
Zoats were centaur-like although more reptilian looking and actually very alien. AT some point the fluff changed and linked them to the tyranids, saying that they scouted out worlds for them, but I don't know if they were supposed to be actual Tyranid organisims.
Codex Zoat would rule, especially if they have a slave race or allied mercenaries like kroot and wayward human scum.
What?
· 6 months ago
Zoats were a Tyranid slave race in the Rogue Trader book (and were part of later Advanced Space Crusade boxed game rules/late-RT Tyranid army list).
It was 'Stealers who became Tyranid beasties (along with Squigs for a time).
BDub
· 6 months ago
They weren't, they were a slave race modified for Tyranid purposes. Since they were sentient and not reliant on the Hive-Mind they could roam well in advance of the Hives - but for the same reasons theywere able to rebel against the Tyranid race. So they are out there somewhere. I always loved the Zoat models.
Lizardmen
· 6 months ago
it states in the Tyranid codex that the zoats were all killed when the Imperium attacked them. They were hive fleet colossus and are no more.
Magoslord
· 6 months ago
yeah! Ad Mech! they do have an asset in the planetstrike book, and a staffer said i would like the new army, ind all the staffers in my area know im nuts about mechanicus!!!!
blinky
· 6 months ago
A staffer confirmed there would be a new army? Please do tell more.
Yupp
· 6 months ago
sorry to burst your bubbles, but GW staff dont know anything more then we do. The managers might know a little more, but only a couple of months into the release schedule not a few years, they are just reading and hearing the same rumors that we are.
relasine
· 6 months ago
Jokaero! I demand angry, space orangutans!
Oook?
· 6 months ago
Oook !
Magustheseer
· 6 months ago
You mean furry brown Orks ? :p
Klemanius
· 6 months ago
ughh, I really hope we have moved on some what from those days.
TSINI
· 6 months ago
please specify exactly how angry :)
papasmurf
· 6 months ago
just throwing out possibilities here, no matter how vague, maybe kroot mercs, eldar exodites/corsairs? who knows, maybe they'll scrabble together an entire new race, and give them the whole "emerging empire" shpeele that they gave the tau. was there even any tau fluff before they became an army?
blinky
· 6 months ago
There was tonnes of kroot fluff, but no tau as far as I know.
faultie
· 6 months ago
Agreed. I think they really missed an opportunity when they went with Tau.
crunchyjuice
· 6 months ago
they really need to update that codex first.... there is only one or two ways you can TIE with that army when youre fighting a decent opponent necrons, then tau, then tyranids is my idea just forget DE if you ask me; nobody plays as them but if they want to do a new race its kinda unfair to the previous four codexs because they keep on getting worse and worse in my opinion
FabricatorGeneral
· 6 months ago
Nobody plays them anymore? Them's fightin' words...
/I don't play them //I don't know anyone who does ///One guy DID but his army got crushed by TSA on a flight home.
TSINI
· 6 months ago
put em up! put em up!
lemme at im! lemme at im!
im not much of a fan of DE either, but i wouldnt want to see them dissapear, they do need the biggest revamp of all, theres just nothing scary about leotard clad space elves with a penchant for kinky behaviour.
now if they released some models with torture cages onboard the vehicles, and some bloodthirsty looking vampirical eldar wearing sheet metal bladed armour wrapped in barbed wire, and cleaning the gore off his spiky bladesword thingy, then maybe the dark eldar can be restored as a decent race.
BDub
· 6 months ago
Lets be honest..no one plays them because the models are goofy, the codex is thin and they havent recieved and support/fluff in years. They are arguably the most neglected race in 40K. They have all the cool fluff to tie into that you could ask for. My theory is that nobody up at GW likes or cares that much about them or hasn't until recently so they collect dust. That's kind of a disservice to your whole IP but I always got the feeling they played thing by ear up at GW anyways.
helvexis
· 6 months ago
nobody plays them much anymore is because the models for the most part suck alot of arse. the core abilities and fluff of deldar is fine just need to get rid of half the abilities that dnt work cause its so old and put in some decently evil gear/units it says at the start of the codex they are the most evil race out there moreso than chaos. that being said i play them and wipe the floor against most people i play against ... not that you can really counter a geared up archon with incubi...
but as for a new race if they did demiurg if done properly as in definately not squats or space dwarf bikers could be good
BDub
· 6 months ago
Exodites would be a nice addition, but again thats almost minidex material like Steeler Cults and the like.
Madjob
· 6 months ago
New race as in new armybook and miniatures line? Phew.
Well, I've been waiting around for Chaos Dwarfs for some time. If those guys showed up again a few years from now they might just be the catalyst to get me into Fantasy.
As far as 40k speculation goes...
Hrud I'm going to hope are out of the question. While I wouldn't mind having clearer fluff on these guys come to light (but not too much, their whole thing is mystery and rumor), an actual codex and miniatures line is absurd. They don't field armies even on the scale of 40k.
As for other non-aliens possibilities, it's difficult to say without turning to the possibility of a completely unheard of race, like the Tau - but my personal wish is once again the revival of a lost army, the Genestealer Cult. Just please, no battle limousines.
What?
· 6 months ago
I was thinking about whether the return of the 'Stealer Cult would be a possibility, but I'm leaning towards the negative. The old 40K list was an easy one for WD - it was cobbled together using Space Hulk and the Imperial Guard line.
With the obvious exception of Chaos/Space Marines (and the fate-to-be-determined Inquisition codices - both strong power armoured lists, too), there is little overlap in the lines at the moment and the Codex Craftworld/Armageddon style books have bitten the dust. It is hard to guess where a Cult list would fill its force slots from if doesn't reuse Imperial Guard and Tyranid lines. This doesn't sound like a new army release to me - I would expect something that flogged new plastic vehicle kits.
Allandaros
· 6 months ago
With the Stealer cult, you might be able to make some 40K equivalents of "technicals" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_(fightin...) ); these would be especially interesting for re-conversion into loyal Imperial vehicles.
But yeah, probably not something that would get its own codex. Maybe a minidex. We can dream.
McNs
· 6 months ago
Like everyone else, I'm actually betting if its 40K, its Ad Mech, due to the strategem previewed for Planetstrike.
For Fantasy, I'm gambling either Chaos Dwarfs, Fishmen (lulz), or something completely, utterly new (Bad Lizardmen? Old Ones returned?)
Ziss
· 6 months ago
Fimir? :p
Big J
· 6 months ago
If they were years away form the army being done, why include the strategem in planet strike? That's terrible business, event for GW. "Here, let me give you some syrup, but you have to wait 4 years for the pancakes."
Hunter
· 6 months ago
Fishmen? now thas an idear
TSINI
· 6 months ago
hopefully stingray will become an apocalypse datasheet to rescue Marina from them in time!
oggiebear
· 6 months ago
Uh, guys, I'm the emperor, this is old news... It's oggie bears... so everyone can shut up!
crunchyjuice
· 6 months ago
i believe that its actually pubert tittywinkles
Drop Trooper
· 6 months ago
hahaha "Jokaero! I demand angry, space orangutans!" didn't this lot die out? It would be cool though.
Fantasy still has a few ranges to do, Cathay, Nippon, araby, that place, you know the one, where all the mercanaries come from? Chaos Dwarfs maybe?
40K, well did just get the Tau Empire, maybe some sort of dogs of war? possibly the beghasi? maybe something from the halo stars? The last IG codex allowed for some kind of Ad Mech army but this new one doesn't, so maybe Ad Mech? Though "2) The new race is non-human in nature" would say not.
But heres to a 3 ordos inquisitor codex!!!!!!!!!
I remember when Tau first came out, and in WD the developers were talking about all these ideas they had for new races, apparently there were a few good ones.
Klemanius
· 6 months ago
The mercenary place is Tilea and the Border Princes. Cathay would be an interesting option, but I think the eastern menace has already been usurped by the very mongol Ogres.
GuyLeDouche
· 6 months ago
I will absolutely jump on board the WH train if they release a Cathay army. Too bad they're human :(
FOE
· 6 months ago
I would kill for a complete Kroot Mercs list. I absolutely LOVE their fluff, and they need an update from the old list.
I would think Ad Mech or Demiurg would probably be the safest bets for pre-established factions.
faultie
· 6 months ago
I hope (and think) that when 5e Codex: Tau Empire comes out, there may be options to run all-Kroot forces, and then we won't need a Kroot Mercs army list.
Demiurg would be neat for 40k, or Barghesi. Chaos Dwarfs for fantasy.
Or, maybe, a 40k Dogs of War book, with single units of various aliens. Hmmm...
RealGenius
· 6 months ago
I would totally be for a 40k Dogs of War book-- Rogue Traders, Pirates or some such. It would be easy to model, since there are models for everything already. But can you really see Space Pirates in Apocalypse?
Plus, since there are no models to sell there's no way GW would do it.
faultie
· 6 months ago
I think there would be plenty of models to sell. A 40k DoW book could be a neat way for the design studio to do individual models and units that are cool, and have a good little bit of backstory, but which don't need to be fleshed out into a full army list. A single Barghesi unit. A Loxatl unit. A Hrud character. It opens up other races and story, without requiring a book each to do it. It wouldn't really be a standalone force, and you could even have "character units" (like the fantasy Regiments of Renown). That said, I don't know that the HQ/Troops/Elites/FA/HS force org works for this type of things as much as the Core/Special/Rare system works.
pierce raats
· 6 months ago
Yeah, radical and ordo Xenos inquisitors could fit in with this kinda set up too, along with things like ad mech exploritor teams and rogue traders. exodite eldar bandstoo maybe. id like to see the enigmatic cipher too although he might not fit in as well here.
and dont forget the enslavers, thats a creepy bunch.
Gniknok
· 6 months ago
KRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOTTT!!!!!!!!!!! please ;-)
or at least develop and integrate them more completely into the new Tau dex, whenever that comes out... ... and perhaps give chapter approval to the Kompletely Kroot Fan-Dex in the meantime?
If they'd just update the current Merc Army List (no more Eaters of the Dead, I5 Kroot Hounds, 35pt Krootox, Knarlocs, etc.), I'd be happy, but yes, I think they should integrate the Mercenaries and Allies into the Tau 'dex a bit better.
And as a pirate zombie enthusiast from the white dwarf article, this would be rather nice :D
My guess for 40k, ...Lizardmen in space?? But given GW's previous history of staying away from mixing Fantasy and 40k probably not.
Klemanius
· 6 months ago
oh my god, I did not even think of Sartosa. Now that would be interesting!
CT
· 6 months ago
Pretty sure Tyranids are Lizardmen in space.
some random dude
· 6 months ago
I thought Tyranids more more like the 40k Skaven
CT
· 6 months ago
With the last Codex: Tyranids release, I remember reading in the design notes that they were not bugs but were more like lizards. The design notes are no longer on GWs website so I can't verify that claim. I'd have to dust off an old White Dwarf to see if its in there.
TSINI
· 6 months ago
due to them being aliens i'd say they were neither. but they definately share more physical similarities to insects than lizards, having multiple limbs, and a hard exoskeleton instead of internal bonestructure. but they definately eat very lizardlike, with long tongues and rows of teeth
CT
· 6 months ago
I was able to find a few other websites that referenced the Tyranid design notes; they called them "Space Dinosaurs" in the design notes. They also have an internal bone structure; remember Old One Eye and the 'regenerate' carnifex exposed skull bit. I used to think of them as insects too until I read the design notes. However, I don't know enough about Warhammer Lizardmen to know if they were meant as a counterpart like Empire/IG, Elves/Eldar, Dwarfs/Squats, Tomb Kings/Necrons, etc.
Because a battle cod is the most exciting and sense unit that GW would throw in the tabletop for some people.
What?
· 6 months ago
Think of the conversion opportunities!
TSINI
· 6 months ago
Sardine Marines!
Vepr
· 6 months ago
What about the Loxatl with their flechette guns. Might work.
XenoPurge
· 6 months ago
I'd love to see some Loxatl myself!
jasperflint
· 6 months ago
not much scope for a range of models...
Ari
· 6 months ago
This is the one I was thinking of too. They seem to show up a lot in the Black Library books. Seen in Gaunt's series as assassins. Seen in the Heresy books and even for a bit in the last chancers.
I think it would be pretty cool.
Bucho
· 6 months ago
Although I would love the Ad Mech, and it is one of the armies the Studio would LOVE to do, I worry that another race will dilute the focus of actually getting the armies up to date.
Yeah, we have seen sketches of the centaur that was considered for the Tau Empire book, and I don't think adding a new race to an existing army is what they are going to do.
And GW being GW I think they will go for something totally new or not seen before, so we can forget about the previous armies like the Genestealer Cult (even though I have a huge one sitting in boxes at home).
What are the options? Dog Soldiers, K'nib, the Octopus looking ones from the old rulebook (3rd edition?) Or we may see some sort of primeval race to counter all the advanced technology armies that have been done.
A dogs of war would be nice, but it would boil down to a Rogue Trader style force getting squads from various sources much like the inquisitor books. And they did say non human.
Fishmen? God I hope not.
But then again, maybe it is for Fantasy only. And you can always add another non human army in. Look at Ogres. I didn't really think that would work and it is a very different style of army, and is quite good in execution.
Alvin K
· 6 months ago
Captain Simian and the Space Monkeys! XD
papasmurf
· 6 months ago
awesome show
Wax
· 6 months ago
I don't know if you dare this one, but I'm surprised to see more and more subjects about Hrud in the last codexes (and books). Maybe a hint ?
Commissar Hybrid
· 6 months ago
My vote is on Hrud as a type of 'space skaven' or Demiurg as Squats. Mainly though, I'm kinda anticipating Hrud. They are mentioned (in passing) in the latest Commissar Cain book and I think they where mentioned (again; in passing) in the new Guard codex, but I'm not 100% sure. I'm going through and looking for it.
Nassir
· 6 months ago
They are indeed mentioned in the new IG Codex. There's mention in the timeline of some regiments stopping a "Hrud migration." I've seen that term in other books, too, just not sure where exactly.
Commissar Hybrid
· 6 months ago
In the Commissar Cain book 'Cains Last Stand' the Inquisitorial Storm Trooper (forget his rank) in charge of security for the Ad Mech facility mentions that he has thought up plans for everything from an Opportunistic invasion from the Tau to a Hrud Migration.
I am amused by the idea of Hrud though. In fantasy, Scaven can fire their weapons into close combat because they see their own lives as meaningless. Cheep units combined with good artillery or Suicide bombs for the squad leaders... I tend to try and do that with my Basilisks anyway...
If a game is going really bad and there is no way for me to win, I'll usually start blowing holes in my army in an attempt to take as many of my opponents units with me as possible... Shooting a Basilisk with a meltagun as a squad of Marines tries to take it down in CC. (I barely penetrated it, then rolled two sixes. I killed 3 Marines.) Usually, my opponent just laughs and lets me do it, kuz they know I'm screwed.
Space Apes
· 6 months ago
I'm liking the idea of Exodite Eldar.
If they release a completely new race, like they did with Tau, I just hope they have a new play-style; possibly something in between a horde list and an elite list.
Cavalry?
Zoats?
Space orangutans that have no language but can build anything out of anything?
I kinda like the Jokaero idea. They would be an army of mini-Obliterators!
Molochi
· 6 months ago
Oooh. Return of the Old Ones? xD
Exodites, maybe? That'd be interesting. Or throne, Chaos Eldar. ><
Kroot as a viable army would be cool.
Invasion of the Enslavers?!
Dark Mechanicus, Hrud would be interesting. Barghesi (sp?)
I hiiiighly doubt that Demiurg/Squats will get anything. At least, I hope they don't. Space Dwarves... really?
Jokaro are a throw-away race. Not even worth mention.
My guess is, they will be an tech-using xenos counter-part to to the close combat monstrosity of Chaos Space Marines, backed with decent shooting abilities and vehicle force made mostly of walkers and jetbikes.
I base my claims on the upgrade to shooting, walkers and ICs in assault in 5th as well as the fact that there needs to be more non-Eldar jetbikes in the rules.
Tol
· 6 months ago
I´d like to see Demiurg or AdMech as well, Slann would be... no please... o.O
On the other hand rumors of that centaur-race and that superior hunting-nomads (~Preds?) sound much like they´d be good-selling, even without beeing a horde-army.
Oh, and i hope they don´t do hobbits for Fantasy...
jack
· 6 months ago
there are all ready hobbits in fantasy they are called halflings and live in the moot in the empire
Desaster
· 6 months ago
Non-human? There are so many... Barghesi? Jokaero? Yes, please Jokaero ;)
My money is on something entirely new out of the blue like Tau.
AdMech would be cool, but is not really non-human. The same for LatD...
clkeagle
· 6 months ago
Lost and the Damned/Chaos Cults and Adeptus Mechanicus are certainly my preferences. I said it in another thread and I'll say it again here... Chaos Cults should be one of the most numerous and often-encountered races in the galaxy, and they have never received a proper codex or model line.
Menos
· 6 months ago
You can make a Chaos Cult with the new IG codex, or with the FW books (latest Vraks ones). Models? FW chaos renegades add -on parts for the plastic IG.
FabricatorGeneral
· 6 months ago
Chaos Cults and Genestealer Cults are not usually able to organize large ordered battallions that won't fall away like Paper Mache before the guns of even a moderately organized military.
Catachans or even Penal legions will be the best bet for proxy, calling in supporting squads of Demons and Chaos Space marines. Easy to organize for Apocalypse, but hard to do without just making spiky IG. Until it reaches the level of calling in the supporting forces that fomented rebellion, it is just a provincial issue or genestealer infestation.
From the fluff that I have read, it is only worlds that have been abandoned for years that put up any measurable resistance. Deathwing portrayed a single squad of Terminators with a supporting Librarian as being able to cut the head off of an emerging genestealer problem.
Rayne
· 6 months ago
So.... Ive been waiting 10 years for a new Sisters of Battle codex that they keep delaying... But theyd like to make a new race?
*sigh* Inquisition never gets any love.
DMK
· 6 months ago
I didn't realise it had been 10 years ince 2004 :P
kettu
· 6 months ago
Tis been eleven (Twelve?) years since the Sisters were ever done any justice. :P
KhestraTheUnbeheld
· 6 months ago
It's the Clans!
No, wait, the Cylons!
Nah, might it be. . .the Vorlons??
MarcusZ
· 6 months ago
No, it's the Covenant! Oh wait, was it the Shadows? Crap, it could even be the Decepticons! Or maybe they bring us the Kilrathi? I just hope it is not the Chig! (That would be smelly... :p)
Azaghul
· 6 months ago
Its the Dalek! Or possibly the Time Lords...something even older then the Old Ones....blah,blah
faultie
· 6 months ago
It's obviously the Yuuzhan Vong! Or, no it's VGer! Crud...Chiss? It's the Wraith isn't it?!
yergerjo
· 6 months ago
Kzin
KhestraTheUnbeheld
· 6 months ago
LOL @ Covenant.
Goa'Uld? There's gotta be some sort of sci-fi paradigm GW hasn't molested yet.
MarcusZ
· 6 months ago
damn @ Goa'uld I knew I had forgotten some sci-fi villains! (but GW has already done other Stargate Races: Necron Scarabs are the Replicators and the Ori already have their Priors already within the Imperium! Just take a second look at the new Astropath model!)
LEGION3000
· 6 months ago
Actually something like the Kilrathi would be sweet. In all of GW they have never done anything with cat people.
Allandaros
· 6 months ago
And thank goodness! :P
Kerensky
· 6 months ago
Daleks or Cybermen?
KhestraTheUnbeheld
· 6 months ago
Necrons got the Daleks covered.
TSINI
· 6 months ago
oh hell yes, a dalek army using the necrons rules, imagine a giant dalek as the monolith...
Hunter
· 6 months ago
better yet THE DALEKS!.
YOU WILL OBAY THE DALEKS OR BE EXTERMINATED.
Anonymous
· 6 months ago
All these mentions of a centaur race are making me think of Zoats.
BuFFo
· 6 months ago
I vote for Demiurg/Squats.
BayHammer
· 6 months ago
I deeply suspect a cuthuloid type race, but thats just me, however I would say that its going to be somewhere between tyranid and Tau if I had to guess. Non human is a pretty broad term but I think the answer may lay in some subtle referencing, so if anyone can remember any vauge mentions in the fluff or books.
abwoopwoop2
· 6 months ago
cahos darfs for WFB. adeptus mech, pos for 40k. but there is a mention of a "lost race" in the ork codex??? also, when witch hunters was released they talked about ordo xenos codex, but it never seems to have popped up, but they could be humans...guess we'll have to wait ad see
and anyway, it sound like at least a year before anything properly pops up about these new guys, so there's still time for DE, SW and CD rules to be finished off and updated.
Feuermann
· 6 months ago
Why don't they redone chaos dwarfs and scuat instead of making a new race?
fantasy posibilities: Naga(snake-like humanoids), "murlocs", halflings, a new kind of elves(ice elves ^^)
40K: jokaero,Hrud, Slann,Scythians,cynthor devils, slavers or squats (all comes crom old background)
Poochute
· 6 months ago
WoW reference much?
CassiusVermagum
· 6 months ago
Naga is actually ancient mythology for merpeople warriors of either neptune or jupiter (can't remember offhand wheter it is greek or roman) and wow didn't even bother to come up with their own name for them. Also the younger generation has little to no knowledge of D&D, and most of those race names come from there as well
Serebrate
· 6 months ago
Perhaps Codex: Pirates or something that incorporates Dark Elfdar with other such races?
Sage McSagington
· 6 months ago
Like Dogs of War in Space? SOLD!
Niels Toft Larsen
· 6 months ago
I have to say I hope they don't create any additional races for 40k. While seeing Zoats on the battlefield would be fun, I'd rather see updates to existing codices.
Also, it seems to me that 40k is not in desperate need of any (especialy non-human) new armies. The most fertile area seems to be the Lost and the Damned and that is mostly human.
Myu
· 6 months ago
I concur
Tristan Hu
· 6 months ago
God dammit.
Give me my Lost and the Damned.
Non-Human in nature does not bode well. Not well at all.
Myu
· 6 months ago
They should at least update the PDF for LATD...
Menos
· 6 months ago
Why should they now, with Forgeworld making not one, but three versions of LatD. The Renegades lists in Imperial Armour siege of Vraks book(s) are good enough. OK so the first one was just Chaos IG with renegade Ogryn beserkers, but volume 6 has mutants for the same cost as conscripts. The next one should have power specific lists and nurgle blight drones, and stuff.
DrDoom
· 6 months ago
That's definately true, but considering the mountains of general background, books, and other fluff, which make out Chaos cult armies to be incredibly pervasive, it seems a tad shallow to say 'well, Forgeworld has a model line and book. Go buy it'
For something so common in Warhammer, you shouldn't need to buy (even more) expensive models to be played with (even more) expensive rules only against people that say 'sure, I would play a Forgeworld army.'
Then again, due to Forgeworld coverage (and their admittedly spectacular model line), it's pretty unlikely for GW to make a Citadel LatD line anytime soon.
Menos
· 6 months ago
You don't *have* to use FW models for Chaos Cult, but the kitbash options are just as expensive. e.g. Jungle Fighter and Chaos Marauders look good combined. Mutants can be made from anything, and that's whats so fun abut them - a chance to empty your bitz box.
Chaosgerbil
· 6 months ago
I made a Lost and The Damned Codex, although it is still being tweaked and expanded. Check my blog for it at http://chaosgerbil.wordpress.com/
Menos
· 6 months ago
I like it Chaosgerbil. Only mutants shouldn't be T4. FW list has them as conscripts, which fits their fluff better - untrained civilians on industrial worlds. A3 is also a bit much for them. Didn't you like the Renegade lists?
T.O.M
· 6 months ago
To be honnest the lost and dammed are not really human in nature yet creatures as tau are, the new race is probably some kind of horde of creatures thing but ill still hope for the jokaero space chimps :D
Myu
· 6 months ago
Demiurg would be cool and Chaos Dwarves would be interesting. Demiurg would be the most likely if they're going to build on a pre-mentioned race, since they already have BFG ship models. On the other hand, it probably would be better if GW updated everything for the current editions BEFORE releasing something new. For 40k, there are about 4 codices now that haven't been updated since 3rd ed, and all but 2 others are still 4th ed. Don't know about fantasy, but it's probably something equivalent to that.
Mitey Heroes
· 6 months ago
Genestealers for Fantasy.
It would be awesome.
Dreadwinter
· 6 months ago
Gonna be Space Lizardmen!
GO GO SLANN!
MadDokGrot
· 6 months ago
I heard of my local shop keeper that Adaptus Mechanicus is a option.?
Tim
· 6 months ago
No third Inquisition. They said it some time ago, that they won't make a real army out of it, only the option for Deathwatch-Teams. Malleus and Hereticus are slowly dying, many stores don't sell their stuff anymore and their codices are not really playable with the actual rules.
I fear also, that it won't be Ad-Mech, which would be a cool and unique addition. It will be something "new" and "fresh", take a look at the other tabletop games. Which one ist the best selling? Has it a unique look? Then bet on it! In case of Flames of War it will be the long time lost "Waffen-SS-*Über-Eldar-Company".
Another option would be another Chaosbook. Lost and Damned, traitorous guardsmen and the traitor legions. The CSM Codex was more about renegades, this could be about Iron Warriors, Thousand Sons, Deathguard, Emperors Children, Alpha Legion, Word Bearers, Black Legion and World Eaters.
For Fantasy, I pray for Chaos Dwarfes but fear fishmen (there was also some fluff in the Bretonia Book for WHFRPG). Oh! Dont forget the Fimir! Rapist Lizardmen with one eye! http://whfb.lexicanum.de/wiki/Fimir
sincerely Tim
Saark
· 6 months ago
"Not Really Playable"? 5th Edition is all about negating cover saves, melta weapons and fast engagement. Few armies have as copious amounts of flamers and meltas as Battle Sisters, and they are just as fast as most marine armies with the same armor saves and ballistic skill. Toss in an Inquisitor and assassin for psyker/anti-psyker operations and you have a solid army. Faith is just icing on the cake.
Back to the topic at hand, I'd like to see Exodites. They had the models and have proven that they can make some outstanding reptiles over the years. Though a true Harlequin codex would be nice as well.
BDub
· 6 months ago
Amen, Brother!
nomoreroominhell
· 6 months ago
It's gonna be the Fimir.
You heard it here first.
Magustheseer
· 6 months ago
Technically an Adept Mechanicus army would be almost exclusively non-human since they are rather highly mechanically enhanced. Event though they side with the Imperium they pride themselves for not being flawed humans anymore. And for Fantasy i'd love to see my Chaos Dwarves ressurected : the fluff exists, the models exist (with the Chaos Hellcanon) and their kingdom is almost as big as the Empire so it would make sense.
Azhrarn
· 6 months ago
Some of the Warseer rumour threads on Games Day of last weekend told of FW doing a complete Chaos Dwarf army, so GW wouldn't do them if FW was given the go-ahead to do them instead.
xt828
· 6 months ago
I'm sure that I remember the WD announcing the Tau and going through their design that another race had been thought up and put on the back burner for another day. I also vaguely remember there being word going around when the Ogre Kingdoms were released that the Fantasy team was having a serious look at developing the Eastern edge of the Warhammer World.
Personally, I'm hoping for Chaos Dwarfs. I really liked the appearance the attendants of that Chaos cannon had, and I've liked their backstory and way of war since I first came across their ships in Man O'War.
CANIX
· 6 months ago
Chaos dwarfs would be great.40K Xenos lets have something new and original if anything
BDub
· 6 months ago
I still have some old Citadel Samurai and Vikings.
TSINI
· 6 months ago
i hope its a 40k Mr Blobby race,
special rules:
burst through walls: Mr blobby models can appear on the board anywhere as if moving on from any wall-like scenery
Blobby Blobby Blobby: screaming hordes of mr blobbies scaeres the hell out of everyone, all enemy units are at -5 leadership when testing for morale against blobby units.
40K - Good, more xenos filth for my Astartes to kill in the name of the Emperor of Mankind. Compared to the number of playable armies in 40K compared to WHF leads me to think that 40K is more likely to get the love. Actually, I'm hoping for a "good" race for 40K, since the last new army, Chaos Daemons, are a "bad" race. Helps keep it kind of balanced.
"Good" armies Eldar* Imperial Guard Inquisition (although that is arguable) Space Marines Tau*
"Bad" armies Chaos Daemons* Chaos Space Marines Dark Eldar* Necrons* Orks* Tyrannids*
* denotes non-human race.
So, a "good" army would keep the fluff balance in the game. I know many of you will say, "Good? Bad? Who cares?" however, for fluff purposes, the balance should be maintained. Doesn't mean that they should all get along though...
Fantasy - Well, I don't really play, so I don't have as big of an interest. There's more armies for WHF than for 40K, with many of them being non-human. Actually, if we consider Tomb Kings and Vampire Counts as non-human, there are twelve non-human races in WHF, as compared to three human (I figure Warriors of Chaos are human enough to count). Another non human race for WHF seems unlikely, but it's fairly early in the rumor mill stage, so who knows? As far as the "good" versus "bad" balance, WHF is fethed. Six "good" armies to nine "bad" armies leaves the balance with a new "good" army still heavily to the side of "bad."
clkeagle
· 6 months ago
You're kinda missing the whole point of the Warhammer 40k universe... there are NO good races. The Imperium is the most harsh tyranny in mankind's history, the Eldar will gladly sacrifice a million humans today if one Eldar life is saved a thousand years from now (paraphrased from an old Gav Thorpe article), and the Tau will slaughter anyone who doesn't see the perks of joining the "greater good."
phoenix01
· 6 months ago
I didn't miss the point at all: that's why I put "good" and "bad" in quotes. First off, each army/race believes their way is good (or the right way) and everyone else is deluded or evil. Be that as it may, you can truely say that the "bad" armies are bad, whereas the "good" armies are less bad. If you'd rather, think in terms of "order" versus "chaos" rather than "good" versus "bad." Does that work for you?
clkeagle
· 6 months ago
VERY well stated, in terms of order and chaos. Those are terms I can support. I just hate thinking of 40k armies in terms of "good" and "bad." The greatest appeal this universe has for me over other sci-fi games is the ambiguity between "good" and "evil." One can even make the argument that the only race true and pure to their own beliefs and morals is the Orks. :)
I tend to avoid Black Library novels for these very reasons... they tend to pain the Imperium and especially the Space Marines as being noble heroes, and their enemies as being true evil.
FabricatorGeneral
· 6 months ago
I liked how a 3-way Apoc game termed the split. Good, Bad, and HUNGRY (Necrons, Tyranids)
CT
· 6 months ago
It's the same difference as forces of order/disorder used in the Apoc rules. :)
Plaguetrooper
· 6 months ago
ummm - the Imperium without the Adeptus Mechanicus? NO WAY! There would be no Imperium anymore afterwards - if this is the mysterious new race, the Inquisition should send some Interrogators to the GW-Headquarters, to prevent the taint from spreading further *maybe infected by the allmighty nurglous pig-flu* ,,,
I would like to see the Squats/Demiurg ( think of enormous tunneling tanks ^^ & hammer-swinging, power-armoured, for decades isolated metahumans ), the Hrud ( I think the word "hrud-invasion" chops down the vague theory of them fielding not-enough-scale-armies in 40k ) or the Loxatl ( strealth-predating, ultra-technology using clones of the Old Ones - seeing the Eldar have failed in the role of their legacy ) ,,,
But I would be also happy when they would finally re-release the Dark Eldar or throw out the combined Inquisition-Book ,,,
As devoted CSM-Player - I just have to say ( Nurgle may forgive me ); I first hated the new book, now with the new rules its fine ( hey, you still got cultmarines as a troops-choice -_- *sighs* yeah I know it´s still far away from the old one - I really miss my Nurglings ) SO there´s really no need for a Big-4-Book that covers the Traitor Legions ( as you´re able to throw a bad-ass-list for each of them with the recent codex - already tried? ^^ say Tzeentch and see your enemy turn to a pile of dust *furry-glitter-multiflavoured dust shining in caleidoscopic colours* ,,, )
Baron-Burlesque
· 6 months ago
Based on that description..."new" & "non-human"...I SERIOUSLY hope that it's a new race for 40K.
Don't get me wrong, I'm seriously into Fantasy at the moment, & I have a few ideas for new armies for them already (the best ones seem to be my Human armies)...I just think it would be silly of them to create a whole new race of people while fans are still screaming for older, now-defunct warbooks to be reinstated (ie, Chaos Dwarfs & Dogs of War).
Besides, the best ideas for races remaining in Fantasy are all Human armies...Cathay, Araby, Nippon, Ind & Amazons. The only non-Human race I can remember being mentioned that doesn't have a presence in Fantasy yet would be the sub-mariner race that occupies the sunken Lizardman city of Chupayotl.
As to the nature of the (possibly) new 40K race, while I agree that it would be good if they finally created Ad Mech, Alienhunters or LotD, I the fact that they said "non-human" all-but eliminates them.
Given the amount of flak I heard about the Tau - a race that had no background in 40K whatsoever suddenly being thrust into the galaxy as a "major" player, I'd almost bet the rent on this new race being one we've heard of beforehand.
Space Skaven & Demiurg, while they would be cool, I think are unlikely...I remember reading an interview with one of the GW high-muck-e-mucks in WD, where he said they try to keep a 'professional distance' between the two universes by not including too many races from one game system into the other (ie, you'll never see Tyranids running around eating Greatswords or Vampire Counts). They already have Elves, Orcs, Daemons, Undead (sort of), Ogres, Halflings & several different forms of Human armies in the 40K universe.
My bet would be the Hrud or the Jokearo, since they're the only other races I've heard of before that I can remember.
PLEASE, LORD...NOT THE SQUA...I can't even say their name!
Rupert
· 6 months ago
Please be something stupidly silly/funny that dosen't seem to fit in at first glance but add fluff to make it work and work well, something like Ewoks (Star wars fur ball things from 6th movie)
Jalen
· 6 months ago
Lots of Barghesi hints lately, I noticed, and we know basically nothing... wouldn't surprise me if it's coming from that way.
Demiurg have been hinted forever.
Don't follow Fantasy enough to say what might happen there.
pierce raats
· 6 months ago
I wouldn't be too surprised if it were the Barghesi,They could be cool, as this guy demonstrates..
At the beginning of the posts i was thinking,, "um, this is stupid, why would anyone waste their money to make this."
By the end i was thinking: "wow, if Gw had put this out i would have bought it for sure,,,, it wouldnt cost too much to convert an entire army of these guys..."
Wanderer787
· 6 months ago
Looks like Squats are making a comeback! ;)
Raemer
· 6 months ago
Wookies Gelatinous Cubes Space Dragons
oooooh.. the options,
some random dude
· 6 months ago
Space Lizardmen? Robot Dragons? Sonuds a bit like Power Rangers to me!!
some random dude
· 6 months ago
Sounds*
Alexandre
· 6 months ago
Fantasy posibilities : chaos dwarves 40k possibilities : Squat(^^)
Azaghul
· 6 months ago
eh, its either stunties for 40k or nothing. They don't need to add a race to fantasy they just need to stop writing broken books and raising pricing every coupla months!
crunchyjuice
· 6 months ago
words of wisdom
thebaldwin
· 6 months ago
For 40k perhaps they will introduce the mysterious supernatural race that currently are occupying the Ghoul Stars. Ohhhhh...scary.
skullyjax
· 6 months ago
I think everyone is forgetting to look at their star map. Look at page 17, particularly The Grendel Stars. The Barghesi are the only race that are mentioned on the map that are not in a codex. There is your new race. Hyper-violent and that would lead to a horde type army. I would picture something along the line of Predator.
faultie
· 6 months ago
Hmmm...I hadn't noticed that.
Kroot mercs could work for them!
TSINI
· 6 months ago
if they turn out to be dreadlocked shoulder-gun toting warriors with invisibility, covered in tyranid totems and trinkets, count urself the winner! :D
Rattus-rattus
· 6 months ago
Rats in space, rats in space, rats in space.
The people want to see Space Skaven or Vril, of all the things GW could do this would be the most popular. Hiding in the darkness, following on the footsteps of man, always there but never seen. A secret race that has followed the imperium into space, stowing away in the Rogue Traders ships, using discarded, unwanted or stolen technology. Living in warrens their tunnels a rats nest of all mankinds' lost and misplaced items.
GW give us the Space Rats we want and deserve!
Enslavers
· 6 months ago
Well, you don't get much more "non-human" than the Enslavers.
They would be a difficult army to keep balanced though...
eldargal
· 6 months ago
Necrons were alright, Tau were just terrible, please god let it be a fantasy race. Squats would be acceptable. Chaos dorf would be nice.
Jason
· 6 months ago
Is there a possibility that they may drop races from the main range in WHFB or 40K?
dude
· 6 months ago
EXODITES FTW!!! well in my dreams :P
Nassir
· 6 months ago
I'd like to see Hrud or Squats for 40K . I don't play Fantasy, but a redux of the Chaos Dwarves would be good. The old CD models looked like crap. It looked like they made their helmets out of upside down KFC buckets.
CT
· 6 months ago
Random thought: Space-Birds.
A race based on aviation/flyers might be interesting.
Menos
· 6 months ago
There are about 30 'minor' races for 40k mentioned on wiki. Jokaero are my fave - orange- furred, clever orang-utans who invented digital weapon rings and spy-fly mini cameras.
Grandjester
· 6 months ago
Dr. Zaius approves.
TSINI
· 6 months ago
Dr. Zaius Dr. Zaius, Dr. Zaius Dr. Zaius, oh oh oh Dr. Zaius!
Well you finally made a monkey out of meeeeeeeeee!!
Fire_Warrior
· 6 months ago
I once wondered if there was going to be more races, and i was thinking of something that might come from the same place as the Tyranids, to cut them down to size a bit.
Finnian
· 6 months ago
How about blue communist pansies from outer space with hoofs and ridiculous guns and floating tanks with fish names Oh wait, GW did that already
ArmouredWing
· 6 months ago
I have to say that it's a pretty obvious statement to say that GW is going to create a new race for one of its systems at some undetermined point in the future.
What I would say is for people to be careful over what they consider to be solid info, especially when it comes from GW sources via a forum or fansite.
The thing is the internet has changed the way GW does business. They actively look for leaks when launching new stuff and they no longer display forthcoming releases in the gallery until they are good and ready, so ANY news of a new race at the moment is so premature it's only wish list stuff.
Funk
· 6 months ago
Maybe they'll bring back th Old Ones for40k? Space Lizards XD
Phil
· 6 months ago
Im hoping it will be a Ad Mech race as they have alot of established fluff and combat units. Would be fun
Gothmog
· 6 months ago
40K Demuirg (Squats) Hrudd
Fantasy: Ind Cathay Nippon Chaos Dwarves
Cathay could be like dragon people with human underlings. The problem I see is the first three are human based. Chaos Dwarves is the only non-human one I can really think of. Especially since they have a blood bowl team and old minis, but no rules.
I really hope it is fantasy. There are too many codices to REDO in 40k for tehm to focus on a new race. BA, DA, BT, DH, WH, DE, Crons, Armoured Co, Tau (Once others are updated so they catch up on the creep). Then if they are going to do a new race they need to finisht he Inquisition armies with Xenos Hunters.
So it better not be 40k. Too much to catch up on.
Stefan
· 6 months ago
Hummm...an new fantasy army seems unlikely from a business standpoint. Its the third child behind 40k and W/LotR. Why invest the development costs in your worst performing line?
Unless whatever 'it' will revive the line...but the real issue is not models but rules and play style...
I am taking bets on a new race fro 40k.
faultie
· 6 months ago
I could've sworn that FAR more people played WF:B than ever played W/LotR. I guess I was wrong.
Stefan
· 6 months ago
I thought that too. But based on the local GW sales rep (not a red/black shirt but the regional manager selling to indies), he said LotR had better sales than fantasy even after 2004. Do not know what 2008/2009 were/are as the last time I spoke to him was early 2008.
Shaper Orak
· 6 months ago
Seriously, a new race would be fine and all, but come ON. There are codexes out there that havent been updated for two editions. There are still players with armies for them! Dark eldar got pushed back, the Kroot had to resort to a Fan-made playtested codex, and Daemonhunters are now utterly useless at fighting daemons.
On the other hand, I would like to see a new alien race, one thats genuinely, you know, alien. not based off the japs or space elfs or space orks. Like an entire race of starfish-headed Elder Things, or that squid race from Xenology, or the Qu-Oril (sp?).
What would seem prefferable to an alien race, however, would be AdMech. One plastic kit for basic combat servitors, with upgrades and such, and one small plastic kit for an elites choice (like Stealthsuits), and maybe a plastic mini-titan. Add a few metal techpriest models, and metal large robots, and some sort of vehicle unit, maybe an upgrade sprue for the rhino. And BOOM, admech.
Bringing back Zoats, re-flavored as a Tau client race, wouldnt be bad. Tau could use a heavy close combat unit (mind you, they could easily acheive that with KNARLOC RIDERS, except that the FW models are Expensive, and the current rules for them SUCK). Regardless, they would be Fast Attack (cavalry) for logistic purposes. seriously, tau fill up their elites slots, with their iconic crisis suits and stealthsuits, but the only FA choice worth taking is Pathfinders.
Zach
· 6 months ago
Lizardmen in 40k....
jcflanker
· 6 months ago
Ok, I think there are several ways to look at this rumor. I’m going to focus on 40k because this is what I am most familiar with.
First: most 40k armies have a kind of fantasy counterpart: Space Marines are Bretonians, IG and the Inquisition are the Empire, Necrons are Tomb Kings or Vampire Counts, Eldar are High Elves, Dark Eldar are Dark Elves, Orks are well……Orks, Chaos Daemons are Chaos Daemons, Chaos Marines are Warriors of Chaos . Although in can be argued, It seems as though Nids and Tau are unique to 40k. So let’s look at the fantasy armies that do not have a 40k counterpart and analyze their viability as a 40k army.
Dwarves: this is viable however I don’t think a space dwarf army could be like the old Squats which I agree with many of the other posters that Squats have become a joke in recent years. As my buddy Alex always says about the Squats, “no one seems to like drunken, biker, Viking, Space Dwarves anymore.” I think the Demiurg are a better possibility they have already been mentioned in the fluff and had rules and I think models for their ships in BFG.
Lizardmen: I think this is viable as well maybe bring back the Slan they were reptilian. If you look at many other sci-fi sources there are often reptilian races (the TV series from the 80s “V” comes to mind.)
Ogre Kingdoms: I don’t think this is very viable but I guess if you can have space Dwarves and Elves space Ogres wouldn’t be out of the question. I’m thinking if this is done it could be something like the Zentradi from Robotech. Maybe they can wear big suits of fast armor with exotic weapons (this may be too much like Tau battle suits.)
Skaven: Yeah you always hear that the Hurd are Space Skaven I really don’t put too much credence into space rats. But, if thought out right it could work.
Wood Elves: maybe we are looking too much into this rumor. It said a “non human” race; Wood Elves are more or less Exodites and Harlequins. So maybe another Eldar Codex that focuses on Eldar when they are subject to the wanderlust. It could include all non Craftworld Eldar like; Pirate Princes, Corsairs, Rangers/Pathfinders, Exodites, and more Harlequin stuff like the Solitaire and Great Harlequin.
Second: GW will go in a completely different direction that we don’t see coming. Similar to the release of the TAU in late 2001 I don’t know if this took anyone else by surprise but I surely did not see this coming. And if GW keeps up with the trend of hiding new releases in plain sight like that Tyranid model or the Planet Strike scenery. Think back to the 3rd ed rule book that came out in 1998 had a drawing of a Kroot a full 3 years before the TAU codex came out. So I took a look at the 5th ed rulebook to see what it had to say about other races in the galaxy. There are no pictures like the Kroot but on p119 the Thexian Elite are mentioned as a “biomorphic race” that lives on the Blood moons of Thex Prime. Others are mentioned on p119 Draxian Hegemony, Worldweave of Noisome Reek, Ulumeathic League, and the Church of Dracolith. It is possible it could be one of these.
Third: It is possible that this “new race” can be one of the long standing mysteries of the galaxy or one of the more obscure rumors that have been eluded to in fluff or on the message boards. Like the long lost 2nd and 11th Space Marine Legions, the Necron Dragon Star god, Sensi Knights or the followers of the forgotten Chaos god Malal. My personal favorite is a rumor that I heard a long time ago the Nids came to the 40k galaxy because something is chasing them; maybe it is the race that is chasing them.
Fourth: and I think most likely, is that we have no idea and we can speculate all we like but, we will be completely surprised.
PlasmaCow
· 6 months ago
So in my mind the most likely candidates for a stand-alone codex or army book are:
Adeptus Mechanicus This will no doubt come along eventually, but with this rumour being for a non-human race, then perhaps it'll be more likely that it will be Forgeworld who take on this army, and frankly, who could be better?
Q'Orl To my knowledge their only appearance is Xenology as things stand, although they are extremely well presented in it, although perhaps with their swarming, bug-like nature, they are too close to Tyranids and the Vespid.
Thyrrus Again, another race, which, to my knowledge has only appeared in Xenology. Being much more alien than just about any other current race, I can see their attraction, but don't believe they would have enough appear or variety to be made into a full main race.
Demiurg This is a race that will cause much controversy when GW do eventually give us more information. As the spiritual successor to the Squats, it has already had advanced robotics, engineering skills and mining attached to them in official background. However, having already been part-connected to the Tau Empire, it could be complex to also have a full stand-alone army. Additionally the Demiurg way of war seems very different to the old Squats, with "battle droids" hinted as being a key element.
Chaos Dwarves GW has always said that these guys are on the cards as soon as they get the time to give them some proper love and attention. In the mean time though, the hardcore fans have gotten by with counts-as lists and an outdated online update from several years ago.
Arabay Having already explored this region in Warmaster, this gives GW two options 1) they can say we've given this region more depth and an army, that's enough for now ,or 2) they can say, now that we've done a trial run in Warmaster, we have an army we already know all the units for that be can ported into WFB much quicker than a brand new army could be made.
In conclusion I'm really not sure what to expect, but either way it'll be interesting. I do highly doubt however that GW would introduce a double-universe race as some are suggesting.
Bradley Wiggins
· 6 months ago
If they make a new race, maybe they are building it based on a playstyle that is not well represented (like they did with the Tau) rather than flushing out existing fluff on Hrud or Demiurg. I think that a new race for 40k or fantasy would probably be from scratch.
If it is in 40k, I hope it isn't human in nature like the rumor says. There's too much Imperium forces and their evil opposite (CSM and daemons). I would prefer to see a wider variety of alien enemies who have separate background and histories.
I still imagine that the Adeptus Mechanicus line from planetstrike was something that has been taken out of context.
Dave
· 6 months ago
when they brought out the new harlequins, they said they had enough harlequin stuff to make their own codex.
Drale
· 6 months ago
maybe they'll add something new like a squid race or something
Asymmetrical Xeno
· 6 months ago
Oh please do a non-humanoid race for 40k. I'm so bored of all the 40k races being bipeds or bugs when theres so much more they could do...
I hope its enslavers or umbra or something equally twisted and disgusting..
UltramarineFan
· 6 months ago
If there's going to be a new 40k race then I really think it should be Adeptus Mechanicus. After all most of them aren't human as such but they're hardly alien as well. Fingers crossed.
Tricky Dick
· 6 months ago
While a new race would be good for 40K and that GW should look to the future, they should not do so at the expense of the present.
Too many codex are out of date and the Dark Eldar are all but extinct....
That being said, I hope they bring back the space dwarves from years ago.
Gniknok
· 6 months ago
KROOOOOOOT!!!!!!!!!! please? ;-) ... or at least develop and integrate them more fully in the next Tau codex... when ever that come out. I mean seriously, they are better when fielded in apoc then they are in smaller (codex legal) forces? silliness... ... and in the mean time, perhaps they could give Chapter Approval to the Kompletley Kroot Fan-dex? http://trobarts.customer.netspace.net.au/5th_ed...
Gniknok
· 6 months ago
Sorry, this was a double post from earlier... I thought it didn't go through the first time. Many apologies
MASTER LUKE
· 6 months ago
BOLS! create a poll of the top suggested 40k/fantasy armies
lets put it to a vote!
personally i'd be interested in seeing:
40k - squats, an aquatic race (atlantis), space lizards, or space rats (warplock) fantasy: CHAOS DWARFS!, aquatic race (atlantis)
Eamo
· 6 months ago
It could be the beastmen. They were in the old fluff and were even then supposed to be a fairly common and stable strain of mutant, even so far as being used in IG armies.
Still, given the rate at which GW are throwing out new armies these days saying "there might be a new race for 40k or warhammer within the next 2 years" takes about as much prescience as saying there might be a rainy day in london between now and 2020.
Evil-Termite
· 6 months ago
I'm hoping for a new 40K race, and I'm hoping that it will be more alien looking than Tau, necrons, and Eldar. I would prefer something further from the look of humans, like Tyranids are pretty alien compared to Humans.
It would be nice to have a race that can ally with another one. Codexes that can add models from another give overlap which makes incremental collecting easier and fun. With that being said, my biggest hope would be a codex for Kroot or Vespids. They would work as a codex on their own, or be able to ally with the Tau empire. This kind of codex would not only spur people to buy the new races models, it would also spur them to get into a Tau army further down the line.
It's been mentioned by a lot of people that GW ought to update all the rest of their codexes first before adding a new race. I don't really have a problem with GW adding a new race, but I would like them to come out with some public goal to keep codexes balanced. All units should be worth their points, in every codex. That kind of thing will require smaller changes to the books more often. It seems like coming out with a new book for each race every other year would work well. The cost of the game is fairly high, so asking us to buy a new codex every other year isn't exactly unreasonable. Each new codex wouldn't have to change a whole lot either. Lower some point costs here, raise some there, just to even things out more. Then, 1 or two races each year could have a Major overhaul getting new units and new fluff etc. Unfortunately, I don't always see the big picture clearly. it may be that my desires for codex updates are unrealistic due to production costs.
Carrot
· 6 months ago
Well, all they really need to do is have the codices ready to go when the new rulebook is, or at least points cost errata that fix the balance issues. That's what happened in 5th Ed. that made many of the older codices uncompetitive.
Not so much codex creep as the core rules shifting out from under them.
Nick Rowland
· 6 months ago
I am not sure about fantasy, but my knee-jerk reaction is that they have too many races at is.
If it turns out to be 40k, I kinda hope for Exodite Eldar. But realistically it will probably be just as new as the Tau were.
Ulthanesh
· 6 months ago
Oh good a new race, because here I was thinking the Dark Eldar, Necrons, Skaven etc. were having too many models and updates produced for them lately,..
DuK
· 6 months ago
I'm going to have to say Exodites as well.
They're probably the most recognizable and marketable (wtf is a zoat, who wants to buy space rat-people) and with the newish Cold Ones, stegadons etc, they could repurpose a lot of existing molds as "dragons".
Gniknok
· 6 months ago
An army of super-intelligent-shades-of-the-colour-blue!!! so good.
but seriously though, the cavalry rules are the most underused and underdeveloped rules in the BRB (next to rules concerning leadership tests, but that is clearly going by the way-side these days...no-one is afraid in the 41st milenium! ... unless you play Tau ;-P) Sure Ravenors, Hormaguants, Roughriders and Slaneesh fiends follow cav rules, but this is a pretty small amount of units when compared across the whole array of races and units (though I may be forgetting a few...) Whether it is Kroot, allies or mercs, with an emphasis on cavalry, or Exodite Dragon Riders, Zoats or even something based on the concept drawings for centaur people from the original development of the Tau, there is tons of room for a cavalry or beast-centered army in terms of adding new gameplay dynamics. Heck, the cavalry rules themselves are totally insufficient. They only benefit cav that wants to act like heavy cavalry, with bikes Tau battlesuits and eldar jetbikes acting closer to how true light cav should.
The other thing that could really change things up is something along the lines of Ogre kingdoms, with Ogryns or something of a similar stature playing a stronger core role. If they were to do something like this though, I would rather they did it as a mercs or pirate dex, which incorporated special units from numerous armies and races, and allowed some use of mercenary units alongside regular codex lists, ie. WFB Dogs of War... but that's just my 2 cents...
How about one of the alien races mentioned in the Horus Heresy series ? That would seem like a good starting point to me.
Perhaps one of the lot in the Alpha Legion book?
Or the Demiurg. If i remember correctly they have a BFG ship dont they?
Last and by no means least, the inhabitants of the Ghoul Stars ? Have they been fleshed out in any way. I know the fluff say they are awesome and it takes a whole chapter to hold them back. Maybe they could have a bit of a breakout?
Fantasy wise, it would have to be the Chaos Dwarves. Remeber the Hell Canon + they have a fully fledged background and are mentioned in lots of Fluff.
Norseman
· 6 months ago
I think we need 40K Wookies.
I forget the name they called them in the 4th edition Rule Book. Maybe it was "unidentified".
Think about it...
Terminator comes out we get Necrons Starship troopers beget Tyranids Starcraft comes out we get Tau and new units for Tyranids.
We NEED a Star Wars army for all the fanboys.
Personally I cant wait for all the new units inspired by Terminator Salvation. I will put $100 that is why the Necron codex was put back a year.
GW you are a unrepentant thief... but we love ya.
master luke
· 6 months ago
i'm totally waiting for gw to get sued for snatching IP from another company like gw harps on people doing similar work that resembles anything in the world of warhammer.
master luke
· 6 months ago
ps did somebody hint at necron bikes???
TSINI
· 6 months ago
for those interested, i enjoy following this guy as he converted up a Hrud, and a K'nib army,taking his own perspective of how they would look and act based on snippets of fluff
theres also tons of great conversions on this website in the modelling diaries
Boom_Radley
· 6 months ago
And he did a Tarellian and Barghesi army, too...
Why is this man not working for GW? They could really use some of the creative brainpower that he clearly has.
TSINI
· 6 months ago
i wouldnt go that far, i mean theres a few guys on that website that show a much better skill with modelling than him, Mousemuffins has some amazing scratchbuilds, his panther marines are amazing, the paintings on the droppods, and his giant terminators that count as dreadnoughts, and his giant dreadnought which counts as a landraider
also his steampunk clockwork necrons. they are just mindblowing.
some random dude
· 6 months ago
As soon as i saw those spiders i stared converting! great idea!
Tyler
· 6 months ago
Chaos Dwarves!
eq
· 6 months ago
Space Slann. period. no other comment
TSINI
· 6 months ago
i reckon a Codex: Deathworld would be cool
includes monstrous creatures and squads of feral creatures, they could be used in 2 ways, as a random movement/ reactive third force in a game, or an actual army where the game becomes a fight for survival for the other player.
but thats better as a houseruled mini-dex than a full-on army
Boom_Radley
· 6 months ago
Well, the idea of a new army would be cool... IIIIIIFFF
GW updated Dark Eldar, Necrons, Inquisition, and a definitive, well thought out FAQ that every gamer had access to.
And if they ever got that done, and the new army turns out to be Barghesi or Admech, I'll be happy.
Valourousheart
· 6 months ago
Not that I mind seeing new armies come about... but it would be nice to see a new codex for some old armies... you know the list.
Xenith
· 6 months ago
*cough* Fishmen *cough*
Xenith
· 6 months ago
More seriously, its probably fantasy, as 40k is a mess right now.
I hope to Hashut its the Chaos Dwarves, but it will probably be Nagash necromancer armies.
SquatsSquatsSquats!!!
· 6 months ago
Duuuuuurrrrrr!!!
TSINI
· 6 months ago
i bet you've got that stupid look in your eye that all squat owners get...
makes me sick...
MR. MAN
· 6 months ago
Possibilities for 40k: Demiurg AdMech Genestealer Cults Barghesi. None of them are likely (I have a good feeling about cults though because I heard somethins comin for them in 11'
Ben
· 6 months ago
I'll say it... :)
SQUATS! :D Please?
Dunadan
· 6 months ago
I haven't a clue as to what the new race could be, but there are plenty of existing races I would like to see worked into the Codices: 1)Tau get Demiurg(slow and purposeful heavy weapon teams) 2)IG get Sq*ats(biker dwarves, yeah!), Beastmen, and AdMech. 3)Tyranids get a Genestealer Cult list. 4)Adeptus Arbites get a more detailed treatment in the Inquisition lists instead of "Stormtroopers with shotguns". 5)In the same vein as 4, Ordo Xenos could get a more detailed treatment.
Okay, on second thought, Slann and Jokaero could be interesting armies to play: frogmen in space and Apes that run around improvising weapons and tanks
Lizardmen
· 6 months ago
300th post!
I suggest the new race will be the "Spartans" because I swear those guys aren't human (hint: every one of them has a sixpack and can take on a bunch of ork...I mean immortals)
FiscalHermitCrab
· 6 months ago
It should totally be the Kilrathi from Wing Commander seeing as no one has mentioned the possibility of Giant Space Tigers! Which just so happen to fit all the criteria. Would be several years off before being developed, check. Non human, check. Done! Additional bonus points would be that it would be completely probable to have them come from outside the galaxy bypassing their non existence in the fluff that way. They could either be chasing the 'nids from elsewhere or even be coming from the other side of the galaxy leaving the Imperium stuck in the middle. Wacky hinjinks would ensue!
master luke
· 6 months ago
I liiiiiiiiiiiiiiike!
you could call them 40khaliman?! haha jk kraken editions. sigh, you and yer alkemy...
space lions - tigers - sort of fits the ogre sized 40k army slot. perhaps some dark angels tie in fluff? did somebody say *secrets*? perhaps that was me, the guy who never reads the novels or the fluff. just going straight off of names. super screts
excellent suggestion
FiscalHermitCrab
· 6 months ago
I thank you. They could be done like Ogre Kingdoms style, that'd work. The Calabanite Lion that you're referring to could have been one of them. That's what the game needs instead of a redux of Squats.
Brandon
· 6 months ago
If its fantasy I hope they release Nippon or Cathay. I would love to see that!
Scott
· 6 months ago
Well, for 40k, there are a lot of options. For fantasy, if its a non-human race, there are virtually none.
If its human (and Fantasy) it will probably be Cathey because theyve gotten a lot of fleshing out rule-wise lately. But I wish it was going to be Araby :(
Anyway, if its 40k, Im guessing itll end up being a race we havent been exposed to yet. All though a proper Mechanicum codex would be awesome.
Scott
· 6 months ago
I meant to say that Cathey has gotten a lot of Fleshing out FLUFF-wise lately...
FiscalHermitCrab
· 6 months ago
Ideally Tau and Necrons will be done next with all the Inquisitional forces melded into one codex with certain HQ's allowing different builds for the different Ordos. The Dark Eldar get folded back into the Eldar codex with the option for a "Good"/Original/ Craftworld Eldar, Pirate, or Dark army. Or you could start off by choosing one of the sects and that gives a certain set of special rules, like Exodites lack access to a lot of equipment but become stealthier. The Pirates are more skill laden with maybe the ability to take squads of other races that count as mercenaries.
The Craftworld and Dark Eldar could follow the Inquisition template from before, a certain HQ opens up a force tree. Warriors and Guardians would be interchangeable and Elites would share special rules and stat lines Howling Banshees and Wyches could be one of these groups.
GW would sell less codexes, true, but they'd be able to release several new model ranges or at least sets and I know that I would be more likely to branch out into those other armies if I already had the codex to get me excited about them, like for example I have a Siam Hann army and read about the Exodite and see what some of their rules are and buy a small force of them and seeing that this game is like crack that small army would snowball meaning moneymoneymoney for GW, which is what they want, and new and interesting army lists for us that might not have been made otherwise.
PlasmaCow
· 6 months ago
I would disagree, each section of the Eldar race is very distinct in its style and not really suited to melding into a single (huge) codex.
Also, with the inquisition armies, I am of the belief that it needs redone: Sisters of Battle and Grey Knights should be two completely independent army lists in their own dedicated codex - after all GK are just another space marine chapter like DA, BT, etc. And SoB are the army of the Ecclesiarchy, not the inquisition. Plus the Deathwatch (Ordos Xenos) are already covered in the Space Marine codex now.
The Inquisition, having been removed from all these lists, then gets its own, within which the only units are Lord Inquisitors, Inquisitors and Inquisitorial Stormtroopers (plus their transports). In addition, the player defines the nature of the inquisitor in command (or perhaps spends points to increase the influence level of their inquisitor), which in turn allows access to certain units (or all units) from selected codexes.
Drop Trooper
· 6 months ago
I'm afraid I disagree entirly. The three ordos should be combined into one codex. As a staunch Inquisitor supporter they are by far my largest army (though still not really apoc worthy), I like the idea of 'unlocking' units depending on HQ selection. You can't say the Deathwatch are covered in the SM codex, I included a unit in my army using the old rules, now I can't. I'm assuming your meaning sternguard? they have no suspensors, they can't be led by a Librarian, their heavy bolter doesn't get hellfire rounds AND you can't take a unit in your Inq army.
Also your idea of an 'Inquisitor codex' would have... 3 whole units to choose from, well four if you included the land raiders. GW needs to do away with the 'by the authority of the immortal emporer...' rule and stop the sillyness that is choosing your army from four differrent codexii.
Combine the three ordos into one book, if you want a Sob army, choose a canoness as your HQ and then you can have all the SoB units it 'unlocks', similary for the GK's, choose a Grandmaster and away you go.
eq
· 6 months ago
space slann. awsom space lizardmen. maybe skavens in power armour. who knows
MrMike85
· 6 months ago
I believe if 40k has a new race coming it would be the Hrud. Many wanted a skaven 40k race and the Hrud are the closest to that. Understand that they are pretty close to the rat-men feel and it would be cool to see a whole army that uses plasma weapons. I can see it now..... A horde army that kills itself in the first round of shooting. Brings a tear to my eyes.
BitzBoxRob
· 6 months ago
ok bak on topic.... for WHFB i have to say chaos dwarfs would be it. cause of the extra blubs they have been planting & never writting them off in the background fiction (fluff) for 40K my heart and mind are divvided my heart would love to see short guys with beards, on bikes but i dont think that will happen (sighhhhh) what i believe will be the source of this race's aperiance is from the 5th ed rulebook. It has a galactic map with the "Hadex" anomaly withc "spews time from other dimmentions ito the southern spiral arm of our galaxy,".
JNeal
· 6 months ago
If they were to add A new Race, I'd hope it would be the Adeptus Machanicus from 40k
They said it wouldn't be human, but would half machine men count?
some guy passing through
· 6 months ago
I could see them doing a new race for GW's 35th Anniversary.
Anonoymouse
· 6 months ago
It's Space Ape's. Here is one of Carl Kopinski's more recent illustrations:
A lot of people here have pointed out that Hrud don't have an army. This is true, but doesn't prevent them from being a formidable massed force. After all, they migrate :) I believe their appearance is probably somewhere between the space skaven look of the 3rd edition image and the slime creature from xenology. The slime creature with the prehensile limbs was meant to be speculative - no-one in the imperium knows what Hrud really look like, as their flesh melts when they die.
Dark_Templar
· 6 months ago
I am personally praying for Barghesi, but the Tau desperately need a makeover.
There is nothing more hideous than their crisis battlesuit models and the Farsight model is horrific.
Dunadan
· 6 months ago
Tarrelian Dog-soldiers would also be cool, though these might just be added to the Tau codex in a way similar to Kroot Mercs.
haha
· 6 months ago
HRUD or DEMUIRGE. BYE
Mananarepublic
· 6 months ago
Still have the original plastic S. kit - I would love to see them come back!
/M
TSINI
· 6 months ago
PIGS. IN. SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!!!
LordBoofhead
· 6 months ago
Well These are my thoughts on whathis new race could be.
40K has a few Possibilities:
The Demiurg: These guys have some ships in BFG and have had conflicts with the orks and dealings with the Eldar and Tau and are also found all over the Galaxy.
The Hrud: These guys have been hinted at in the background for a while, and although we've never had official stats we know a bit about about there habits and their tech thanks to both Inquistor and Dark Heresy. Plus Space Skaven How cool is that?
The K'Nib: All we really know is that these fought in the War in Heaven along with the Eldar and the Orks in the Armies of the Old Ones and they are still aroubnd. It might be fun to see them.
The Exodite Eldar: These guys have fought many wars against the Imperium and are scattered across the stars. Plus it'd be nice to see them fight their own battles, its not like Beil Tain and Sam Hain can bail them all out! :p
The Slanni: These are Mentioned in the 4th ed Rulebook via a picture and they date from the Rogue Trader days.
Most of the other races mentioned in passing are far to isolated or not organised beyond serving as mercs now and then.
And the other Armies from the old days awaiting reserection Such as the Arbites and the Ad Mech are all Human so it seems they are rulled out it seems
As for Fantasy the Main Avenues of expansion are mostly Human nations Such as Araby, Cathay and Nippon and Ind and even Kislev who has half an army.
This leaves the Chaos Dwarfs but one could argue that they are not a new army per say as they have a Ravening Hoards list and they can be found at quite a few tournies. Also I've never heard any confirmation of them being dropped by development. IIRC the last I heard they were tstill trying to find a way to make them into something more than a Orc army with bonus Dwarfs and better warmachines.
The other real contender is the Hobgoblin Hegemony of the Stepes. These sound like a real goer as they have a been described as beingnotorious mercs like the Ogres so they could be feilded in many armies.
Other than that there is the Fimir but I doubt we'll see the return of One-Eyed Half-Daemon Rapist Monsters! :p
Oh and then there is always Fishmen......
David
· 5 months ago
What about the necromancers? when vampire counts was re-released last year they eliminated the ability to have anything but level 1 necros, saying that they wanted to focus on vamps in that army, and were saving that aspect of undead for "something else." Seemed clear that they planned on creating a 3rd undead army at some point--so could this be that?
SpFunkster
· 6 months ago
nipponese babboon samurai for 40k, fishmen for WFB. so says the word.
Naobi
· 6 months ago
I had an idea that for 40k it might be the Old Ones like the Slann
Skruloos
· 6 months ago
Take a look at the third edition rulebook. There is a picture in fluff area depicting "other enemies of the Imperium", and its a sketch of 5 races: one is a Kroot, one is a Tyranid, and one is a Necron. The other two drawings depict a large, yeti-like creature and a small, cloaked rat-looking thing.
I'd put money on one of those.
Lenzabi
· 6 months ago
Perhaps, the Barghesi, hinted at in the main book as well as the SM codex are the race we will see?
Lenzabi
· 6 months ago
I may be shooting in the dark here, but they had made a big deal to mention that race of ultra-violent beings the Barghesi in Both the Big Rule Book, and the Space Marine Codex that came out. I would be curious as to see how they set them up, what kind of tech or lack of tech they get, and what kind of biological form they would have.
Majikthies
· 6 months ago
it can't be exodite as it was pretty well proven that warhammer game is set on an exodite world during albion campaign. just look at the wargear the races won. a 3+armour that increses S (power armour anyone?) Gauntlet that strikes last but double S (power fist) Device to reveal hidden troops (auxpex) sword ignores armour +1S (i'd wager a space wolf frost blade)
c h mustardworthy
· 6 months ago
i hope its chaos dwarves, but i doubt it is
Doog
· 6 months ago
I think this is a terrible idea. A system which is already selling far weaker than 40k, with races like Tomb Kings, Bretonnia, Beasts of Chaos, Ogre Kingdoms, and Skaven which are desperately floundering and in need of updates, is going to get a new race?
A relatively small world, where somehow the borders never change, everyone returns home after their alleged worldwide campaigns, and a dozen races are magically vying for equal power on one planet... this system is going to get a new race? Even when the better selling system covers an entire galaxy and thus has room for more races (realistically speaking)?
Worst idea ever.
Doog
· 6 months ago
Also, if the new race is for 40k, it would be the 2nd worst idea ever for them simply to take a Fantasy race and port them to 40k. Unoriginal, uninspired, and again, it makes no sense that every race from Fantasy somehow survived equally and then took to the stars; oh yeah, and they all somehow found a way to survive long enough to pose a threat to the Imperium.
Paptimus
· 6 months ago
Are you aware the most probable scenario is that 40K is not the future of WHFB, but rather that WHFB takes place in some lost world planet IN WH 40K isolated because of the warp ? There is a chance both universe take place in the same timeline...
craig
· 6 months ago
Yes space dwarfs again excellent super yee ha! look out space marines the munchkins are back.
Conrad
· 6 months ago
In terms of the Squats.....I have a nasty suspicion that they're not going to incorporate the old Squats if they bring out "space dwarves" and instead will opt for them to be a "new race"
Oh oh oh!!!!...The Shadows from Babylon 5....they haven't raped them yet!
Hello
· 6 months ago
For fantasy I would have to go with the chaos dwarves or the Cathay, both of which i would enjoy seeing on the battlefield. As far as 40k goes I would have to guess that either renegade guardsmen are going to reappear ( I loved the Eye of Terror rules for them), Space Lizardmen or Skaven (There has been some flavor text mentioning them) could appear, or as everyone has said, the Squats. Personally I think they should be put back into 40k, I mean come on we have Space Elves (sort of have evil space elves), Space Orks, Humans, Space Ogres, Undead (Necrons), but what is missing is the space dwarves. They just seem to be missing and the whole eaten by Nids thing isnt cutting it 4 me
craig
· 6 months ago
Demiurg, squat, Space Dwarves who cares bring em on.I want I want I want.
Paptimus
· 6 months ago
But would really Chaos dwarf qualify as a new race ? They already got an army book, back in the 90's... I personnally hope it'll be Demiugs. Squats have been dropped by GW, but they always stated that they wanted to redesign a space-dwarf race. And the best armies in 40K come from a reinterpretation of the GW esthethic cannon of their fantasy counterpart : Chaos, Eldars, Orks, Marines, Necrons... The dwarf army is a staple army of the WFB, but its conversion to 40K was perfectible. So yes, some squats figs looked goofy, but in the same era, a lot of orks and gretchins looked goofy, Eldars had a different flair, etc... GW hadn't perfected/stabilized 40K's ESTHETIC style.
So if they manage with the Demiurgs (which are not the squats but a complete reinterpretation of the "dwarves in space" archetype) to "futurize" the dwarf army's style, it could make for an OUTSTANDING result.
I'm not saying it because "dwarves in space are da bomb !!!", or whatever, but because the very essence of 40K's identity is the depiction of a future with heavily stylized esthetic schemes from the past, ie from the fantasy esthetic canon they built with WHFB. The best example would be the "future gothic architecture" of most imperial cities : that's what defines WH40K visually. And the very strong graphic identity GW built for the dwarves would still constitute a great esthetic basis for a futuristic race. That's why I say : bring on the Demiurgs !!!
SinisterRobot
· 5 months ago
demiurg?
marcus
· 5 months ago
hey guys its the squats (fact), well as their new name! end of. nothing else is in the pipe line race wise for 40k.
David
· 5 months ago
I didn't see anyone mention this possibility--but for fantasy, I wouldn't count out the 3rd undead army--the necromancers. Back when undead was one army, there were three ways to lead it--liches, vampires and necromancers. When it was split to two, liches went to tomb kinds and vamps and necros to Vamp counts. With the new army book, they eliminated all but level 1 necros, saying they wanted that army to be Vamps only. Along with that, the creators in white dwarf commented that they were saving the necros and that part of the undead fluff for something else.
So--bring back nagash, arkhan, heinrich and the like in their own, necromantic army? They've already essentially told us that that is the plan for the undead. So makes sense to me that this would be the "new army" they're talking about.
RTEFGD
· 5 months ago
What about Slaan There are basically battle toads :)
reddrust
· 5 months ago
Well i was on ebay today and there was some zoats for sale (15 in all) with this bumpf wrote underneath:
"Now here's something you don't see everyday. Zoats, not rare as singles possibly, but here are fifteen on offer. They are from GW's Rogue Trader era, originally listed in the rules as some kind of ambassador for the Tyranids, now in the new Codex a race supposedly fleeing the Tyranids and coming into conflict with the Imperium".
so maybe the next race is Zoats?? has anyone seen the new tyrannid codex to shed any light on this???
Hope this helps?
regards Tony!
Ciaotym
· 5 months ago
New Race? No Problem. It may happen sooner than later. Games-Workshoip is an incredible business. Given that, a new race is almost overdue. Over the last three years (ta-ta Andy Chambers), they are close to having upgraded all the lists. Necrons languish, but just about all the shelf-able races (Dark Eldar too twisted for the kids), are up to snuff - Orks w/Battlewagons, New IG, Eldar, Tyranids, Tau Phiranas, Space Marines twice. Always room to expand those, but A New Race! It means codex, troops, heavy support and a bunch of probably excellent sculpts. Throwin more paint and Black Library books and you have phase three (or two and a half if Apocalyps was a fortuitous accident). I've been thinkling a new race was due since Christmas. It'll happen sooner or later. And it may well be something totally new. 40K is the 800 pound gorilla now.
Alpharius
· 5 months ago
i believe that its gonna be chaos dwarves as in the back of the fantasy rulebook where it shows the stats it has a choas dwarf bit and has underneath an army book not made at time of printing - why would they put this in if they had no plans about it?
Woobis
· 5 months ago
Space Skaven!!!!
Dorknight
· 5 months ago
It would be interesting to put a DOW (Dogs of War) equiviliant into 40K as it would allow most, if not all the races to use the units in there, provide all the races like Hrud and Demiurgs, return to the roots of the game (Rogue Trader), Flesh the kroot more, and possibly chuck in Ordo Xenos, maybe even some freelance Mechanicus guys, which fits in with some of the fluff I've read in Inquisitor about rogue Mechanicus priests going 'radical' in a techquest. And, it would allow interesting builds which could be fleshed out to be Elite to horde. If not, maybe a BoLS mini-dex could fill the gap?
Grupax
· 5 months ago
mahbe they'll just pick up an older one like zoats, or fimir
Bryss
· 4 months ago
On p55 of the Planetstrike book there is a small paragraph in amongst lots of famous planet invasions about some race called the Banelings. It seems a bit odd to randomly put this in when no other minor races are mentioned. It's a long shot but... since it says they are blood-loving...40k Vampire Counts?
BPOO
· 4 months ago
Thexians.
Klotbeck
· 4 months ago
The Boyz at the local Games Workshop is sydney have confermed that the new race is an oceanic race full of mir-folk and a giant jelly fish... there are several examples on www.coolminiornot.com if you know where to look
nite999
· 4 months ago
It was asked at the seminar at games day, there are no rew races coming out. They are going to focus on the ones that are around now and if they are around now in fluff, minis, etc.. they are here to stay i.e. chaos dwarfs, witchhunters etc...
klotbeck
· 4 months ago
the manager at my local Games Workshop store spilled the beans to me already, the new race is for FANTASY, i can't remember the name of the race but i know that they are suppose to be Fish People.
Rielistic
· 4 months ago
No, they aren't. Not even close...
fasdf
· 3 months ago
In the new 40k rule book there is a mention of a shape shifting race on Thexian prime i think
klotbeck
· 3 months ago
what page was it on?
renfield286
· 3 months ago
Demiurg or Nocturnal warriors of Hrud are both at the top of my wish list. i think the Demiurg are more likley, if only to give the Tau another ally. The Demiurg being mining Trading high tech space barons. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demiurg_%28Warhamm...
but nocturnal warriors would be cool in a kind of space lizardy skaven kind of way.
Pellinoire
· 2 months ago
I really don't see the problem with Space dwarves - they've been around since before the majority of posters here were even playing. To imply they aren't canonical or "right" is amusing. Do you really think dwarves in space are more logical or dumber than orcs or elves in space? Or even 8 foot tall marines? Really? The whole hobby and setting is essentially extremely derivative of other works anyway (tolkien, terminator, the aliens films, I could go on) so anything goes, frankly. GW have always had a sense of fun, a silly, hodge podge approach to their games, and play stuff for laughs all the time - squats are a perfect fit for the setting. I doubt that the architects of our game are as dour and obsessive about the material as some of the gamers I meet... Don't forget - at the end of the day, it's a bloody game of toy soldiers. At this point, we have all crossed the line into ridiculousness anyway. Just enjoy it. I would love to see squats on the tables again.
uniquedragon
· 2 months ago
well, this could be the Hrud, Tarellians or any other race that's still there somewhere... or Kroot. but, since the Hrud are again mentioned in the 5th rulebook :S
m
· 1 month ago
MALAL
SM
· 1 week ago
I beg to differ from the squat rumour... BARGHESI!!! Unfortunately this is based on the fact that they have got several recent mentions, in the 40k rulebook (Grendl Stars), and in C:SM, in the Silver Skulls(?) background entry. So it isn't water tight. or maybe the return of The Lost and the Damned... Sorry about the necromancy...
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Get the other codexes finished, then work could start on another race.
Saying that if they do do another race i am quite keen on the "technology mimicking Jericko" that appeared in older fluff. They just sound cool
GW is absolutely retarded for putting another race into ANY of their games. If they can't even update their current lineup in 10 YEARS adding another race is going to make the turnaround 15 years.
Anyway if we are supposed to give guesses on what the new race might be, I am guessing chaos dwarves. Those ones with the hellcannon have been converted about a million times by gw themselves so I would guess a full set is coming out.
The logic that if my army isn't a game winning powerhouse I need to sell it off mindset is flawed too.
Give me expansions. Give me new races. Give me even more depth. That's what I want.
I can put off a new Dark Angels Codex for another 5 years if they dropped an AdMech Codex. It would take me another 10 years just to get the AdMech to 1000 points anyway.
i say technically because in reality tourneys are still fun and are a massive part of the hobby, and you will often get that old codex army that wins or comes second.
the fluff however, only gets better and better the more its expanded and worked on. the universe is ever expanding, i for one never expected the strange 4 toed green dudes to pop up in the eastern fringe, and look forward to other such imaginative races.
sometimes its unavoidable that a race will become stale and old, the necrons are such a race, their entire fluff used to be based on them being mysterious destroyers of life, who pop up, kill everything, then leave. but thats not a very expansive fluff, despite the attempts to make them egyptian zombies with ghosty god leaders, which in the ned just confuses the fluff a little.
once the fluff is boring, the codexes will become neglected, until they come up with a new spin for the old army.
dark eldar, another such race, i know theres loads of fluff and stories about them, but they are kind of eldar with whips and chains, supposedly as feared as chaos, but i just dont see it. they need a revamp kick up the ass before they can bear the title "scary"
i mean, the eldar themselves have a scarier model in the avatar than any dark eldar army i've ever seen.
The point is the 40k universe is already too deep for GW to handle. If it was another company that actually kept up with their products then yes I would be all for a new race. But what happens in 10 years when they don't update that wonderful new AdMech codex and some new rule takes away combat servitors or something equally ridiculous.
And if they bring back squats, I will burn down the GW headquarters.
even the squats are self loathing
can you reach the middle shelves?
Screw you.
Chaos Dwarves
In the past, they have had a full blown Chaos Dwarf army, mentions of the army are all over the current rulebooks/army books(anyone happen to read the Ogre Kingdoms army book by chance?) unlike space dwarves or these other 40k races that are being mentioned that have been/are being removed from the fluff, Chaos Dwarves are actually getting MORE attention in the books. I even had the pleasure of attending Games Day LA over the last two years and both times Phil Kelly, when asked about new races, mentioned that they wanted to do Chaos Dwarves again, and while they didn't have an O.K. on it, he specifically said he was putting references to them in books so that they could "further open the door for them to be redone". That, for me, is more than enough proof to seal the deal as to the army in question.
Furthermore, they actually have current models in other armies representing their race. And, if you read the fantasy rulebook, they mention both Chaos Dwarves and Cathay in the fluff armies section, and since it's not going to be a human army, it's gotta be Chaos Dwarves.
plastik skitari sprues would OWN everything there is, was and will ever be :P
Adeptus for the win!
I personnally hope it'll be Demiugs. Squats have been dropped by GW, but they always stated that they wanted to redesign a space-dwarf race. And the best armies in 40K come from a reinterpretation of the GW esthethic cannon of their fantasy counterpart : Chaos, Eldars, Orks, Marines, Necrons... The dwarf army is a staple army of the WFB, but its conversion to 40K was perfectible. So yes, some squats figs looked goofy, but in the same era, a lot of orks and gretchins looked goofy, Eldars had a different flair, etc... GW hadn't perfected/stabilized 40K's ESTHETIC style.
So if they manage with the Demiurgs (which are not the squats but a complete reinterpretation of the "dwarves in space" archetype) to "futurize" the dwarf army's style, it could make for an OUTSTANDING result.
I'm not saying it because "dwarves in space are da bomb !!!", or whatever, but because the very essence of 40K's identity is the depiction of a future with heavily stylized esthetic schemes from the past, ie from the fantasy esthetic canon they built with WHFB. The best example would be the "future gothic architecture" of most imperial cities : that's what defines WH40K visually. And the very strong graphic identity GW built for the dwarves would still constitute a great esthetic basis for a futuristic race. That's why I say : bring on the Demiurgs !!!
Oh well at least then all the Primarchs can come back.
Yeah maybe in like another 150 GW-years.
they have daemons....
maybe theyll have ANGELS
dude i got this thing down haha
the emperor did hold high the holy protractor of terra,
measuring thine holiest of angles with precision of that unknown by humanity.
The army would work similar to chaos daemons except obviously holy themed. A Greater "Angel" (Arch-Angel i suppose) would look like the lord of change except with a double headed eagle body and wings like St. Celestine's.
Since then, it has been directly refuted and is no longer considered canon. I kind of doubt they'd bring it back.
I don't know just how much real interest in space dwarves there is.
I loved them when they initially came out. Squats in Exo-Armor still look cool, but they just took a dumb turn.
I would prefer they be integrated into the Imperium like ratlings and ogryn than be there own race.
they are the image that 40k is trying to rid themselves of, even fantasy is revamping its minis just to make them more grizzled and realistic (much more hollywood a la LOTR-esque)
nothing makes me more weirded out than that look squat owners get in their eye when they defend their army and say without even a smirk "everyone I know wants the squats back"
*shudder*
I proceeded to jokingly ask about new Squat releases and got a long, serious response about the Demiurg.
I doubt that every single redshirt would be informed what the new race is at this point in time, but still, food for thought.
I can't even begin to fathom who else might be appearing. I mean who else could possibly fit? The entire Imperium is already bursting at the seams with carnage, the whole place is under dire threat and siege from all directions, and now someone else wants a piece of the pie? I don't see it happening.
Hence, now Necrons are the new fav army, since the Old Ones still can't beat the C'tan.
That said, a slow army would add another interesting, game changing element.
Still that merits only a mini-dex.
The only major military faction left in 40K that hasnt been spoken for is the Adeptus Mechanicum. This is a codex I've wanted to do myself for years. But I would be the first guy in line to get my plastic Skitarii & Secutor boxes!
Bring IT!
I really would love to see the mechanicum's exotic cyber-armies, but so far if the second part of the rumour is true, then that's a no-go.
If not AM then what about Chaos Renegades like in SoV. I mean otherwise we might end up with Techno-Skaven!
Ultimately, I am in the "update you existing stuff more frequently" camp. What ever happened to their promise to do regular lists, mini-dexes and codex expansions in White Dwarf after 5th edition came out?
But seriously, I think they would be a different, kickass army to play; I could se them working like the Locust from Gears of War, tunneling, popping out of the ground, and keep the Skaven nature by having their weapons be highly powerful by being dangerous to the enemy -and- to themselves. Who WOULDN'T want to play a large drill-tank-thing that could pop up out of nowhere and chew through anything in it's way, friend or foe?
fergot an S too :)
I almost wouldn't mind seeing the space dwarfs... except didnt they claim they got all eaten up by the tyranids?
god i hope so
The race I was referring to is the Demiurg. Check them out on the lexicanum, there's a concept sketch.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Demiurg
or maybe some other race from xenology
40K possibilities: Hrud? Demiurg? Doesn't seem likely as those have been mentioned for years w/o much enthusiasm seen by the designers.
Real answer: no clue whatsoever as to what any new race could possibly be, and still be a viable, marketable army.
They're like really odd nomadic creatures stuffing themselves into absurd corners of spaceships and hive cities.
But they do hold the secrets of the past...
Anyway, they're more or less space skaven.
I know its annoying when GW completely remake their fluff. Zoats anyone?
While I understand GW is no longer wanting 40K to be "Fantasy in Space," you'd think it would be easier to just stop mentioning races that getting incredibly little play (like the Hrud) rather than to try to entirely redefine it. Doesn't make sense to me.
Now they were corrupted by Horus, and ended up Dark Mechanicus.
it needn't be a new 'race' per se ... as much as a new Army.
I'm just saying.
Frankly this means that effort is being put into a new race instead of getting the old codex's updated, and that worries me.
Unless they hire another game designer to do nothing but update older codices online. Say a recent graduate with a degree in Game Design who will happily move to England and toil away updating the games online initiative for peanuts. I know I'd do it :)
so be patient, calm the hell down and if your favorite army isn't uber awesome cuz it's outdated, just deal until it gets redone. And i'm not speaking out of bias on this one, i play orks, which, despite being one of the most popular armies in the game, took way too long to get redone, and i play ogres, which are one of if not the worst fantasy army in the game, and with how new they are, they aren't getting redone any time soon and you don't hear me complaining.
" ... Battle after battle raged in his thoughts,fights against alien abominations across the breadth of the galaxy, from the Skavengers in the earliest days to the relatively new threat of the Tyranids. ..."
From what I've heard, they own the "rights" to the idea, and therefore GW cannot legally release a space-skaven army.
You can have trademark over the name of your space rats, and maybe their symbols, you can hold copyright on specific designs of weapons and armor and the like, but you can't own the idea of space skaven.
Have you seen the list of words that GW considers its IP. Its freaking ridiculous.
That is a list of things you cant call a GAME or BOOK!
I can say Warmaster or Horus Heresy as much as I frigging want, but the second i call a book or game that I get sued silly!
Idot! Learn some basic copyright law before you coment!
Trademarks are obvious big colorful logos and the like and not very disputable. They have nothing to do with ideas.
Ideas and or expressions once put into reproducible form are copyright. Unfortunately copyright is VERY disputable and often is rather arbitrarily decided by a court. The fact is GW have staff lawyers that just sit around and write nasty letters to people they consider even remotely close to their extensive IP just to justify their retainer.
*edit: Not to mention copyright is only effective if actively defended. So if the publisher of the book with space weasels doesn't give a crap about making his book into a game he might not even care if GW made space rats.
I was producing a RPG called Warmaster at the same time GW was producing their battle game. I was probably the first person outside GW corporate that knew they were even making this game. As far as I knew it was a Milton Bradley owned title that had been dropped 10 years earlier and I didn't think a little RPG would show up on their radar. This is before MB owned wizards and DnD by extension.
In case you need another example, just look at Dreamforge and their "titans". GW pretty much killed their buisiness through legal action because GW thought the models looked too similar. Note they were not direct copies and the castings were original and totally hand made by dreamforge.
SM deploy similarly to Cap troopers (from the skies) but they are better warriors with lesser equipment. I tend to think of MI troopers as pilots and technicians more than soldiers.
The Space Marines are more like a cross between the Imperial Sardaukar of Dune lore and the genhanced tech-implanted warriors of many a cyberpunk/biopunk novel.... In sweet medieval-looking powered armour :D
buuuuuut.... You give jump packs to guys in terminator armour and you got your Starship Troopers hehehe
apparently they all walk around in circles singing about lost love...
*visions of the Harelquins coming into combat singing ABBA*
As for 40K, the only whisper I have heared was regarding a new attached race for the Tau. It was said that they may get some sort of Centar-type creature as another race they have encorperated in to the Tau empire. This make the most sense, because it can be a single simple plastic kit which can fill whatever role they need for the Tau.
Beyond that, Perhaps the Hurd? I have no idea.
was much better than the Assyrian style ones with post boxes on their heads.
The flying bulls and the centaur-style cav were OK, in the 2nd version,
but the actual dwarves were bizarre - telephone wire for beards?
something..), the crew are more in the old mid 80s style.
Marauder miniatures - I think - I used to own a regiment of
20 as part of the original Kaon the Despoiler horde.
The only bits of the 2nd incarnation that was any good
were the monstrous winged bulls, the centaurs and the
rocket artillery.
To see some awesome Chaos Dwarfs check out:
http://www.chaos-dwarfs.com/gallery.php
Codex Zoat would rule, especially if they have a slave race or allied mercenaries like kroot and wayward human scum.
It was 'Stealers who became Tyranid beasties (along with Squigs for a time).
:p
there is only one or two ways you can TIE with that army when youre fighting a decent opponent
necrons, then tau, then tyranids is my idea
just forget DE if you ask me; nobody plays as them
but if they want to do a new race its kinda unfair to the previous four codexs because they keep on getting worse and worse in my opinion
/I don't play them
//I don't know anyone who does
///One guy DID but his army got crushed by TSA on a flight home.
lemme at im! lemme at im!
im not much of a fan of DE either, but i wouldnt want to see them dissapear, they do need the biggest revamp of all, theres just nothing scary about leotard clad space elves with a penchant for kinky behaviour.
now if they released some models with torture cages onboard the vehicles, and some bloodthirsty looking vampirical eldar wearing sheet metal bladed armour wrapped in barbed wire, and cleaning the gore off his spiky bladesword thingy, then maybe the dark eldar can be restored as a decent race.
the core abilities and fluff of deldar is fine just need to get rid of half the abilities that dnt work cause its so old and put in some decently evil gear/units it says at the start of the codex they are the most evil race out there moreso than chaos.
that being said i play them and wipe the floor against most people i play against ... not that you can really counter a geared up archon with incubi...
but as for a new race if they did demiurg if done properly as in definately not squats or space dwarf bikers could be good
Well, I've been waiting around for Chaos Dwarfs for some time. If those guys showed up again a few years from now they might just be the catalyst to get me into Fantasy.
As far as 40k speculation goes...
Hrud I'm going to hope are out of the question. While I wouldn't mind having clearer fluff on these guys come to light (but not too much, their whole thing is mystery and rumor), an actual codex and miniatures line is absurd. They don't field armies even on the scale of 40k.
As for other non-aliens possibilities, it's difficult to say without turning to the possibility of a completely unheard of race, like the Tau - but my personal wish is once again the revival of a lost army, the Genestealer Cult. Just please, no battle limousines.
With the obvious exception of Chaos/Space Marines (and the fate-to-be-determined Inquisition codices - both strong power armoured lists, too), there is little overlap in the lines at the moment and the Codex Craftworld/Armageddon style books have bitten the dust. It is hard to guess where a Cult list would fill its force slots from if doesn't reuse Imperial Guard and Tyranid lines. This doesn't sound like a new army release to me - I would expect something that flogged new plastic vehicle kits.
But yeah, probably not something that would get its own codex. Maybe a minidex. We can dream.
For Fantasy, I'm gambling either Chaos Dwarfs, Fishmen (lulz), or something completely, utterly new (Bad Lizardmen? Old Ones returned?)
Fantasy still has a few ranges to do, Cathay, Nippon, araby, that place, you know the one, where all the mercanaries come from? Chaos Dwarfs maybe?
40K, well did just get the Tau Empire, maybe some sort of dogs of war? possibly the beghasi? maybe something from the halo stars?
The last IG codex allowed for some kind of Ad Mech army but this new one doesn't, so maybe Ad Mech? Though "2) The new race is non-human in nature" would say not.
But heres to a 3 ordos inquisitor codex!!!!!!!!!
I remember when Tau first came out, and in WD the developers were talking about all these ideas they had for new races, apparently there were a few good ones.
I would think Ad Mech or Demiurg would probably be the safest bets for pre-established factions.
Demiurg would be neat for 40k, or Barghesi.
Chaos Dwarfs for fantasy.
Or, maybe, a 40k Dogs of War book, with single units of various aliens. Hmmm...
Plus, since there are no models to sell there's no way GW would do it.
A single Barghesi unit.
A Loxatl unit.
A Hrud character.
It opens up other races and story, without requiring a book each to do it. It wouldn't really be a standalone force, and you could even have "character units" (like the fantasy Regiments of Renown). That said, I don't know that the HQ/Troops/Elites/FA/HS force org works for this type of things as much as the Core/Special/Rare system works.
and dont forget the enslavers, thats a creepy bunch.
please ;-)
or at least develop and integrate them more completely into the new Tau dex, whenever that comes out...
...
and perhaps give chapter approval to the Kompletely Kroot Fan-Dex in the meantime?
http://trobarts.customer.netspace.net.au/5th_ed...
And as a pirate zombie enthusiast from the white dwarf article, this would be rather nice :D
My guess for 40k, ...Lizardmen in space?? But given GW's previous history of staying away from mixing Fantasy and 40k probably not.
http://forum.warpshadow.com/viewtopic.php?p=120...
Because a battle cod is the most exciting and sense unit that GW would throw in the tabletop for some people.
I think it would be pretty cool.
Yeah, we have seen sketches of the centaur that was considered for the Tau Empire book, and I don't think adding a new race to an existing army is what they are going to do.
And GW being GW I think they will go for something totally new or not seen before, so we can forget about the previous armies like the Genestealer Cult (even though I have a huge one sitting in boxes at home).
What are the options? Dog Soldiers, K'nib, the Octopus looking ones from the old rulebook (3rd edition?) Or we may see some sort of primeval race to counter all the advanced technology armies that have been done.
A dogs of war would be nice, but it would boil down to a Rogue Trader style force getting squads from various sources much like the inquisitor books. And they did say non human.
Fishmen? God I hope not.
But then again, maybe it is for Fantasy only. And you can always add another non human army in. Look at Ogres. I didn't really think that would work and it is a very different style of army, and is quite good in execution.
I am amused by the idea of Hrud though. In fantasy, Scaven can fire their weapons into close combat because they see their own lives as meaningless. Cheep units combined with good artillery or Suicide bombs for the squad leaders... I tend to try and do that with my Basilisks anyway...
If a game is going really bad and there is no way for me to win, I'll usually start blowing holes in my army in an attempt to take as many of my opponents units with me as possible... Shooting a Basilisk with a meltagun as a squad of Marines tries to take it down in CC. (I barely penetrated it, then rolled two sixes. I killed 3 Marines.) Usually, my opponent just laughs and lets me do it, kuz they know I'm screwed.
If they release a completely new race, like they did with Tau, I just hope they have a new play-style; possibly something in between a horde list and an elite list.
Cavalry?
Zoats?
Space orangutans that have no language but can build anything out of anything?
I kinda like the Jokaero idea. They would be an army of mini-Obliterators!
Exodites, maybe? That'd be interesting. Or throne, Chaos Eldar. ><
Kroot as a viable army would be cool.
Invasion of the Enslavers?!
Dark Mechanicus, Hrud would be interesting. Barghesi (sp?)
I hiiiighly doubt that Demiurg/Squats will get anything. At least, I hope they don't. Space Dwarves... really?
Jokaro are a throw-away race. Not even worth mention.
My guess is, they will be an tech-using xenos counter-part to to the close combat monstrosity of Chaos Space Marines, backed with decent shooting abilities and vehicle force made mostly of walkers and jetbikes.
I base my claims on the upgrade to shooting, walkers and ICs in assault in 5th as well as the fact that there needs to be more non-Eldar jetbikes in the rules.
as well, Slann would be... no please... o.O
On the other hand rumors of that centaur-race and that
superior hunting-nomads (~Preds?) sound much like
they´d be good-selling, even without beeing a horde-army.
Oh, and i hope they don´t do hobbits for Fantasy...
Barghesi? Jokaero? Yes, please Jokaero ;)
My money is on something entirely new out of the blue like Tau.
AdMech would be cool, but is not really non-human. The same for LatD...
books (latest Vraks ones).
Models? FW chaos renegades add -on parts for the plastic IG.
Catachans or even Penal legions will be the best bet for proxy, calling in supporting squads of Demons and Chaos Space marines. Easy to organize for Apocalypse, but hard to do without just making spiky IG. Until it reaches the level of calling in the supporting forces that fomented rebellion, it is just a provincial issue or genestealer infestation.
From the fluff that I have read, it is only worlds that have been abandoned for years that put up any measurable resistance. Deathwing portrayed a single squad of Terminators with a supporting Librarian as being able to cut the head off of an emerging genestealer problem.
*sigh* Inquisition never gets any love.
No, wait, the Cylons!
Nah, might it be. . .the Vorlons??
Oh wait, was it the Shadows?
Crap, it could even be the Decepticons!
Or maybe they bring us the Kilrathi?
I just hope it is not the Chig! (That would be smelly... :p)
Or possibly the Time Lords...something even older then the Old Ones....blah,blah
Or, no it's VGer!
Crud...Chiss?
It's the Wraith isn't it?!
Goa'Uld? There's gotta be some sort of sci-fi paradigm GW hasn't molested yet.
I knew I had forgotten some sci-fi villains! (but GW has already done other
Stargate Races: Necron Scarabs are the Replicators and the Ori already have
their Priors already within the Imperium! Just take a second look at the new
Astropath model!)
YOU WILL OBAY THE DALEKS OR BE EXTERMINATED.
and anyway, it sound like at least a year before anything properly pops up about these new guys, so there's still time for DE, SW and CD rules to be finished off and updated.
fantasy posibilities: Naga(snake-like humanoids), "murlocs", halflings, a new kind of elves(ice elves ^^)
40K: jokaero,Hrud, Slann,Scythians,cynthor devils, slavers or squats (all comes crom old background)
Zoats on the battlefield would be fun, I'd rather see updates to existing codices.
Also, it seems to me that 40k is not in desperate need of any (especialy non-human) new armies. The most fertile area seems to be the Lost and the Damned and that is mostly human.
Give me my Lost and the Damned.
Non-Human in nature does not bode well. Not well at all.
versions of LatD. The Renegades lists in Imperial Armour siege of
Vraks book(s) are good enough.
OK so the first one was just Chaos IG with renegade Ogryn beserkers,
but volume 6 has mutants for the same cost as conscripts. The next
one should have power specific lists and nurgle blight drones, and
stuff.
For something so common in Warhammer, you shouldn't need to buy (even more) expensive models to be played with (even more) expensive rules only against people that say 'sure, I would play a Forgeworld army.'
Then again, due to Forgeworld coverage (and their admittedly spectacular model line), it's pretty unlikely for GW to make a Citadel LatD line anytime soon.
kitbash options are just as expensive.
e.g. Jungle Fighter and Chaos Marauders look good
combined.
Mutants can be made from anything, and that's whats so
fun abut them - a chance to empty your bitz box.
Only mutants shouldn't be T4. FW list has them as conscripts, which fits
their fluff better - untrained civilians on industrial worlds.
A3 is also a bit much for them.
Didn't you like the Renegade lists?
It would be awesome.
GO GO SLANN!
Malleus and Hereticus are slowly dying, many stores don't sell their stuff anymore and their codices are not really playable with the actual rules.
I fear also, that it won't be Ad-Mech, which would be a cool and unique addition.
It will be something "new" and "fresh", take a look at the other tabletop games.
Which one ist the best selling? Has it a unique look? Then bet on it!
In case of Flames of War it will be the long time lost "Waffen-SS-*Über-Eldar-Company".
Another option would be another Chaosbook.
Lost and Damned, traitorous guardsmen and the traitor legions.
The CSM Codex was more about renegades, this could be about Iron Warriors, Thousand Sons, Deathguard, Emperors Children, Alpha Legion, Word Bearers, Black Legion and World Eaters.
For Fantasy, I pray for Chaos Dwarfes but fear fishmen (there was also some fluff in the Bretonia Book for WHFRPG).
Oh! Dont forget the Fimir! Rapist Lizardmen with one eye!
http://whfb.lexicanum.de/wiki/Fimir
sincerely
Tim
Back to the topic at hand, I'd like to see Exodites. They had the models and have proven that they can make some outstanding reptiles over the years. Though a true Harlequin codex would be nice as well.
You heard it here first.
And for Fantasy i'd love to see my Chaos Dwarves ressurected : the fluff exists, the models exist (with the Chaos Hellcanon) and their kingdom is almost as big as the Empire so it would make sense.
Personally, I'm hoping for Chaos Dwarfs. I really liked the appearance the attendants of that Chaos cannon had, and I've liked their backstory and way of war since I first came across their ships in Man O'War.
special rules:
burst through walls: Mr blobby models can appear on the board anywhere as if moving on from any wall-like scenery
Blobby Blobby Blobby: screaming hordes of mr blobbies scaeres the hell out of everyone, all enemy units are at -5 leadership when testing for morale against blobby units.
Special Characters: Noel Edmonds
Apocalypse datasheets: The gunge machine!
for those not familiar with Mr Blobby,
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"Good" armies
Eldar*
Imperial Guard
Inquisition (although that is arguable)
Space Marines
Tau*
"Bad" armies
Chaos Daemons*
Chaos Space Marines
Dark Eldar*
Necrons*
Orks*
Tyrannids*
* denotes non-human race.
So, a "good" army would keep the fluff balance in the game. I know many of you will say, "Good? Bad? Who cares?" however, for fluff purposes, the balance should be maintained. Doesn't mean that they should all get along though...
Fantasy - Well, I don't really play, so I don't have as big of an interest. There's more armies for WHF than for 40K, with many of them being non-human. Actually, if we consider Tomb Kings and Vampire Counts as non-human, there are twelve non-human races in WHF, as compared to three human (I figure Warriors of Chaos are human enough to count). Another non human race for WHF seems unlikely, but it's fairly early in the rumor mill stage, so who knows? As far as the "good" versus "bad" balance, WHF is fethed. Six "good" armies to nine "bad" armies leaves the balance with a new "good" army still heavily to the side of "bad."
I tend to avoid Black Library novels for these very reasons... they tend to pain the Imperium and especially the Space Marines as being noble heroes, and their enemies as being true evil.
I would like to see the Squats/Demiurg ( think of enormous tunneling tanks ^^ & hammer-swinging, power-armoured, for decades isolated metahumans ), the Hrud ( I think the word "hrud-invasion" chops down the vague theory of them fielding not-enough-scale-armies in 40k ) or the Loxatl ( strealth-predating, ultra-technology using clones of the Old Ones - seeing the Eldar have failed in the role of their legacy ) ,,,
But I would be also happy when they would finally re-release the Dark Eldar or throw out the combined Inquisition-Book ,,,
As devoted CSM-Player - I just have to say ( Nurgle may forgive me ); I first hated the new book, now with the new rules its fine ( hey, you still got cultmarines as a troops-choice -_- *sighs* yeah I know it´s still far away from the old one - I really miss my Nurglings ) SO there´s really no need for a Big-4-Book that covers the Traitor Legions ( as you´re able to throw a bad-ass-list for each of them with the recent codex - already tried? ^^ say Tzeentch and see your enemy turn to a pile of dust *furry-glitter-multiflavoured dust shining in caleidoscopic colours* ,,, )
Don't get me wrong, I'm seriously into Fantasy at the moment, & I have a few ideas for new armies for them already (the best ones seem to be my Human armies)...I just think it would be silly of them to create a whole new race of people while fans are still screaming for older, now-defunct warbooks to be reinstated (ie, Chaos Dwarfs & Dogs of War).
Besides, the best ideas for races remaining in Fantasy are all Human armies...Cathay, Araby, Nippon, Ind & Amazons. The only non-Human race I can remember being mentioned that doesn't have a presence in Fantasy yet would be the sub-mariner race that occupies the sunken Lizardman city of Chupayotl.
As to the nature of the (possibly) new 40K race, while I agree that it would be good if they finally created Ad Mech, Alienhunters or LotD, I the fact that they said "non-human" all-but eliminates them.
Given the amount of flak I heard about the Tau - a race that had no background in 40K whatsoever suddenly being thrust into the galaxy as a "major" player, I'd almost bet the rent on this new race being one we've heard of beforehand.
Space Skaven & Demiurg, while they would be cool, I think are unlikely...I remember reading an interview with one of the GW high-muck-e-mucks in WD, where he said they try to keep a 'professional distance' between the two universes by not including too many races from one game system into the other (ie, you'll never see Tyranids running around eating Greatswords or Vampire Counts). They already have Elves, Orcs, Daemons, Undead (sort of), Ogres, Halflings & several different forms of Human armies in the 40K universe.
My bet would be the Hrud or the Jokearo, since they're the only other races I've heard of before that I can remember.
PLEASE, LORD...NOT THE SQUA...I can't even say their name!
Demiurg have been hinted forever.
Don't follow Fantasy enough to say what might happen there.
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At the beginning of the posts i was thinking,, "um, this is stupid, why would anyone waste their money to make this."
By the end i was thinking: "wow, if Gw had put this out i would have bought it for sure,,,, it wouldnt cost too much to convert an entire army of these guys..."
Gelatinous Cubes
Space Dragons
oooooh.. the options,
40k possibilities : Squat(^^)
They don't need to add a race to fantasy they just need to stop writing broken books and raising pricing every coupla months!
Kroot mercs could work for them!
The people want to see Space Skaven or Vril, of all the things GW could do this would be the most popular. Hiding in the darkness, following on the footsteps of man, always there but never seen. A secret race that has followed the imperium into space, stowing away in the Rogue Traders ships, using discarded, unwanted or stolen technology. Living in warrens their tunnels a rats nest of all mankinds' lost and misplaced items.
GW give us the Space Rats we want and deserve!
They would be a difficult army to keep balanced though...
well in my dreams :P
A race based on aviation/flyers might be interesting.
Jokaero are my fave - orange- furred, clever orang-utans who
invented digital weapon rings and spy-fly mini cameras.
Well you finally made a monkey out of meeeeeeeeee!!
Oh wait, GW did that already
What I would say is for people to be careful over what they consider to be solid info, especially when it comes from GW sources via a forum or fansite.
The thing is the internet has changed the way GW does business. They actively look for leaks when launching new stuff and they no longer display forthcoming releases in the gallery until they are good and ready, so ANY news of a new race at the moment is so premature it's only wish list stuff.
Demuirg (Squats)
Hrudd
Fantasy:
Ind
Cathay
Nippon
Chaos Dwarves
Cathay could be like dragon people with human underlings. The problem I see is the first three are human based. Chaos Dwarves is the only non-human one I can really think of. Especially since they have a blood bowl team and old minis, but no rules.
I really hope it is fantasy. There are too many codices to REDO in 40k for tehm to focus on a new race. BA, DA, BT, DH, WH, DE, Crons, Armoured Co, Tau (Once others are updated so they catch up on the creep). Then if they are going to do a new race they need to finisht he Inquisition armies with Xenos Hunters.
So it better not be 40k. Too much to catch up on.
Unless whatever 'it' will revive the line...but the real issue is not models but rules and play style...
I am taking bets on a new race fro 40k.
On the other hand, I would like to see a new alien race, one thats genuinely, you know, alien. not based off the japs or space elfs or space orks. Like an entire race of starfish-headed Elder Things, or that squid race from Xenology, or the Qu-Oril (sp?).
What would seem prefferable to an alien race, however, would be AdMech. One plastic kit for basic combat servitors, with upgrades and such, and one small plastic kit for an elites choice (like Stealthsuits), and maybe a plastic mini-titan. Add a few metal techpriest models, and metal large robots, and some sort of vehicle unit, maybe an upgrade sprue for the rhino. And BOOM, admech.
Bringing back Zoats, re-flavored as a Tau client race, wouldnt be bad. Tau could use a heavy close combat unit (mind you, they could easily acheive that with KNARLOC RIDERS, except that the FW models are Expensive, and the current rules for them SUCK). Regardless, they would be Fast Attack (cavalry) for logistic purposes. seriously, tau fill up their elites slots, with their iconic crisis suits and stealthsuits, but the only FA choice worth taking is Pathfinders.
First: most 40k armies have a kind of fantasy counterpart: Space Marines are Bretonians, IG and the Inquisition are the Empire, Necrons are Tomb Kings or Vampire Counts, Eldar are High Elves, Dark Eldar are Dark Elves, Orks are well……Orks, Chaos Daemons are Chaos Daemons, Chaos Marines are Warriors of Chaos . Although in can be argued, It seems as though Nids and Tau are unique to 40k. So let’s look at the fantasy armies that do not have a 40k counterpart and analyze their viability as a 40k army.
Dwarves: this is viable however I don’t think a space dwarf army could be like the old Squats which I agree with many of the other posters that Squats have become a joke in recent years. As my buddy Alex always says about the Squats, “no one seems to like drunken, biker, Viking, Space Dwarves anymore.” I think the Demiurg are a better possibility they have already been mentioned in the fluff and had rules and I think models for their ships in BFG.
Lizardmen: I think this is viable as well maybe bring back the Slan they were reptilian. If you look at many other sci-fi sources there are often reptilian races (the TV series from the 80s “V” comes to mind.)
Ogre Kingdoms: I don’t think this is very viable but I guess if you can have space Dwarves and Elves space Ogres wouldn’t be out of the question. I’m thinking if this is done it could be something like the Zentradi from Robotech. Maybe they can wear big suits of fast armor with exotic weapons (this may be too much like Tau battle suits.)
Skaven: Yeah you always hear that the Hurd are Space Skaven I really don’t put too much credence into space rats. But, if thought out right it could work.
Wood Elves: maybe we are looking too much into this rumor. It said a “non human” race; Wood Elves are more or less Exodites and Harlequins. So maybe another Eldar Codex that focuses on Eldar when they are subject to the wanderlust. It could include all non Craftworld Eldar like; Pirate Princes, Corsairs, Rangers/Pathfinders, Exodites, and more Harlequin stuff like the Solitaire and Great Harlequin.
Second: GW will go in a completely different direction that we don’t see coming. Similar to the release of the TAU in late 2001 I don’t know if this took anyone else by surprise but I surely did not see this coming. And if GW keeps up with the trend of hiding new releases in plain sight like that Tyranid model or the Planet Strike scenery. Think back to the 3rd ed rule book that came out in 1998 had a drawing of a Kroot a full 3 years before the TAU codex came out. So I took a look at the 5th ed rulebook to see what it had to say about other races in the galaxy. There are no pictures like the Kroot but on p119 the Thexian Elite are mentioned as a “biomorphic race” that lives on the Blood moons of Thex Prime. Others are mentioned on p119 Draxian Hegemony, Worldweave of Noisome Reek, Ulumeathic League, and the Church of Dracolith. It is possible it could be one of these.
Third: It is possible that this “new race” can be one of the long standing mysteries of the galaxy or one of the more obscure rumors that have been eluded to in fluff or on the message boards. Like the long lost 2nd and 11th Space Marine Legions, the Necron Dragon Star god, Sensi Knights or the followers of the forgotten Chaos god Malal. My personal favorite is a rumor that I heard a long time ago the Nids came to the 40k galaxy because something is chasing them; maybe it is the race that is chasing them.
Fourth: and I think most likely, is that we have no idea and we can speculate all we like but, we will be completely surprised.
Adeptus Mechanicus
This will no doubt come along eventually, but with this rumour being for a non-human race, then perhaps it'll be more likely that it will be Forgeworld who take on this army, and frankly, who could be better?
Q'Orl
To my knowledge their only appearance is Xenology as things stand, although they are extremely well presented in it, although perhaps with their swarming, bug-like nature, they are too close to Tyranids and the Vespid.
Thyrrus
Again, another race, which, to my knowledge has only appeared in Xenology. Being much more alien than just about any other current race, I can see their attraction, but don't believe they would have enough appear or variety to be made into a full main race.
Demiurg
This is a race that will cause much controversy when GW do eventually give us more information. As the spiritual successor to the Squats, it has already had advanced robotics, engineering skills and mining attached to them in official background. However, having already been part-connected to the Tau Empire, it could be complex to also have a full stand-alone army. Additionally the Demiurg way of war seems very different to the old Squats, with "battle droids" hinted as being a key element.
Chaos Dwarves
GW has always said that these guys are on the cards as soon as they get the time to give them some proper love and attention. In the mean time though, the hardcore fans have gotten by with counts-as lists and an outdated online update from several years ago.
Arabay
Having already explored this region in Warmaster, this gives GW two options 1) they can say we've given this region more depth and an army, that's enough for now ,or 2) they can say, now that we've done a trial run in Warmaster, we have an army we already know all the units for that be can ported into WFB much quicker than a brand new army could be made.
In conclusion I'm really not sure what to expect, but either way it'll be interesting. I do highly doubt however that GW would introduce a double-universe race as some are suggesting.
If it is in 40k, I hope it isn't human in nature like the rumor says. There's too much Imperium forces and their evil opposite (CSM and daemons). I would prefer to see a wider variety of alien enemies who have separate background and histories.
I still imagine that the Adeptus Mechanicus line from planetstrike was something that has been taken out of context.
I hope its enslavers or umbra or something equally twisted and disgusting..
Too many codex are out of date and the Dark Eldar are all but extinct....
That being said, I hope they bring back the space dwarves from years ago.
please? ;-)
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or at least develop and integrate them more fully in the next Tau codex... when ever that come out. I mean seriously, they are better when fielded in apoc then they are in smaller (codex legal) forces? silliness...
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and in the mean time, perhaps they could give Chapter Approval to the Kompletley Kroot Fan-dex?
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lets put it to a vote!
personally i'd be interested in seeing:
40k - squats, an aquatic race (atlantis), space lizards, or space rats (warplock)
fantasy: CHAOS DWARFS!, aquatic race (atlantis)
Still, given the rate at which GW are throwing out new armies these days saying "there might be a new race for 40k or warhammer within the next 2 years" takes about as much prescience as saying there might be a rainy day in london between now and 2020.
It would be nice to have a race that can ally with another one. Codexes that can add models from another give overlap which makes incremental collecting easier and fun. With that being said, my biggest hope would be a codex for Kroot or Vespids. They would work as a codex on their own, or be able to ally with the Tau empire. This kind of codex would not only spur people to buy the new races models, it would also spur them to get into a Tau army further down the line.
It's been mentioned by a lot of people that GW ought to update all the rest of their codexes first before adding a new race. I don't really have a problem with GW adding a new race, but I would like them to come out with some public goal to keep codexes balanced. All units should be worth their points, in every codex. That kind of thing will require smaller changes to the books more often. It seems like coming out with a new book for each race every other year would work well. The cost of the game is fairly high, so asking us to buy a new codex every other year isn't exactly unreasonable. Each new codex wouldn't have to change a whole lot either. Lower some point costs here, raise some there, just to even things out more. Then, 1 or two races each year could have a Major overhaul getting new units and new fluff etc. Unfortunately, I don't always see the big picture clearly. it may be that my desires for codex updates are unrealistic due to production costs.
Not so much codex creep as the core rules shifting out from under them.
If it turns out to be 40k, I kinda hope for Exodite Eldar. But realistically it will probably be just as new as the Tau were.
They're probably the most recognizable and marketable (wtf is a zoat, who wants to buy space rat-people) and with the newish Cold Ones, stegadons etc, they could repurpose a lot of existing molds as "dragons".
so good.
but seriously though, the cavalry rules are the most underused and underdeveloped rules in the BRB
(next to rules concerning leadership tests, but that is clearly going by the way-side these days...no-one is afraid in the 41st milenium! ... unless you play Tau ;-P)
Sure Ravenors, Hormaguants, Roughriders and Slaneesh fiends follow cav rules, but this is a pretty small amount of units when compared across the whole array of races and units (though I may be forgetting a few...)
Whether it is Kroot, allies or mercs, with an emphasis on cavalry, or Exodite Dragon Riders, Zoats or even something based on the concept drawings for centaur people from the original development of the Tau, there is tons of room for a cavalry or beast-centered army in terms of adding new gameplay dynamics. Heck, the cavalry rules themselves are totally insufficient. They only benefit cav that wants to act like heavy cavalry, with bikes Tau battlesuits and eldar jetbikes acting closer to how true light cav should.
The other thing that could really change things up is something along the lines of Ogre kingdoms, with Ogryns or something of a similar stature playing a stronger core role.
If they were to do something like this though, I would rather they did it as a mercs or pirate dex, which incorporated special units from numerous armies and races, and allowed some use of mercenary units alongside regular codex lists, ie. WFB Dogs of War... but that's just my 2 cents...
Oh, and go Kroot!
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Perhaps one of the lot in the Alpha Legion book?
Or the Demiurg. If i remember correctly they have a BFG ship dont they?
Last and by no means least, the inhabitants of the Ghoul Stars ? Have they been fleshed out in any way. I know the fluff say they are awesome and it takes a whole chapter to hold them back. Maybe they could have a bit of a breakout?
Fantasy wise, it would have to be the Chaos Dwarves. Remeber the Hell Canon + they have a fully fledged background and are mentioned in lots of Fluff.
I forget the name they called them in the 4th edition Rule Book. Maybe it was "unidentified".
Think about it...
Terminator comes out we get Necrons
Starship troopers beget Tyranids
Starcraft comes out we get Tau and new units for Tyranids.
We NEED a Star Wars army for all the fanboys.
Personally I cant wait for all the new units inspired by Terminator Salvation. I will put $100 that is why the Necron codex was put back a year.
GW you are a unrepentant thief... but we love ya.
Hrud
http://www.wargamerau.com/forum/index.php?showt...
K'nib (my personal favourite, festering for sure)
http://www.wargamerau.com/forum/index.php?showt...
theres also tons of great conversions on this website in the modelling diaries
Why is this man not working for GW? They could really use some of the creative brainpower that he clearly has.
also his steampunk clockwork necrons. they are just mindblowing.
great idea!
includes monstrous creatures and squads of feral creatures, they could be used in 2 ways, as a random movement/ reactive third force in a game, or an actual army where the game becomes a fight for survival for the other player.
but thats better as a houseruled mini-dex than a full-on army
GW updated Dark Eldar, Necrons, Inquisition, and a definitive, well thought out FAQ that every gamer had access to.
And if they ever got that done, and the new army turns out to be Barghesi or Admech, I'll be happy.
I hope to Hashut its the Chaos Dwarves, but it will probably be Nagash necromancer armies.
makes me sick...
Demiurg
AdMech
Genestealer Cults
Barghesi.
None of them are likely (I have a good feeling about cults though because I heard somethins comin for them in 11'
SQUATS! :D Please?
1)Tau get Demiurg(slow and purposeful heavy weapon teams)
2)IG get Sq*ats(biker dwarves, yeah!), Beastmen, and AdMech.
3)Tyranids get a Genestealer Cult list.
4)Adeptus Arbites get a more detailed treatment in the Inquisition lists instead of "Stormtroopers with shotguns".
5)In the same vein as 4, Ordo Xenos could get a more detailed treatment.
Okay, on second thought, Slann and Jokaero could be interesting armies to play: frogmen in space and Apes that run around improvising weapons and tanks
I suggest the new race will be the "Spartans" because I swear those guys aren't human (hint: every one of them has a sixpack and can take on a bunch of ork...I mean immortals)
you could call them 40khaliman?! haha jk kraken editions. sigh, you and yer alkemy...
space lions - tigers - sort of fits the ogre sized 40k army slot. perhaps some dark angels tie in fluff? did somebody say *secrets*? perhaps that was me, the guy who never reads the novels or the fluff. just going straight off of names. super screts
excellent suggestion
If its human (and Fantasy) it will probably be Cathey because theyve gotten a lot of fleshing out rule-wise lately. But I wish it was going to be Araby :(
Anyway, if its 40k, Im guessing itll end up being a race we havent been exposed to yet. All though a proper Mechanicum codex would be awesome.
The Craftworld and Dark Eldar could follow the Inquisition template from before, a certain HQ opens up a force tree. Warriors and Guardians would be interchangeable and Elites would share special rules and stat lines Howling Banshees and Wyches could be one of these groups.
GW would sell less codexes, true, but they'd be able to release several new model ranges or at least sets and I know that I would be more likely to branch out into those other armies if I already had the codex to get me excited about them, like for example I have a Siam Hann army and read about the Exodite and see what some of their rules are and buy a small force of them and seeing that this game is like crack that small army would snowball meaning moneymoneymoney for GW, which is what they want, and new and interesting army lists for us that might not have been made otherwise.
Also, with the inquisition armies, I am of the belief that it needs redone:
Sisters of Battle and Grey Knights should be two completely independent army lists in their own dedicated codex - after all GK are just another space marine chapter like DA, BT, etc. And SoB are the army of the Ecclesiarchy, not the inquisition. Plus the Deathwatch (Ordos Xenos) are already covered in the Space Marine codex now.
The Inquisition, having been removed from all these lists, then gets its own, within which the only units are Lord Inquisitors, Inquisitors and Inquisitorial Stormtroopers (plus their transports). In addition, the player defines the nature of the inquisitor in command (or perhaps spends points to increase the influence level of their inquisitor), which in turn allows access to certain units (or all units) from selected codexes.
You can't say the Deathwatch are covered in the SM codex, I included a unit in my army using the old rules, now I can't. I'm assuming your meaning sternguard? they have no suspensors, they can't be led by a Librarian, their heavy bolter doesn't get hellfire rounds AND you can't take a unit in your Inq army.
Also your idea of an 'Inquisitor codex' would have... 3 whole units to choose from, well four if you included the land raiders. GW needs to do away with the 'by the authority of the immortal emporer...' rule and stop the sillyness that is choosing your army from four differrent codexii.
Combine the three ordos into one book, if you want a Sob army, choose a canoness as your HQ and then you can have all the SoB units it 'unlocks', similary for the GK's, choose a Grandmaster and away you go.
for WHFB i have to say chaos dwarfs would be it. cause of the extra blubs they have been planting & never writting them off in the background fiction (fluff)
for 40K my heart and mind are divvided
my heart would love to see short guys with beards, on bikes but i dont think that will happen (sighhhhh)
what i believe will be the source of this race's aperiance is from the 5th ed rulebook. It has a galactic map with the "Hadex" anomaly withc "spews time from other dimmentions ito the southern spiral arm of our galaxy,".
They said it wouldn't be human, but would half machine men count?
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Or maybe Slann
A lot of people here have pointed out that Hrud don't have an army. This is true, but doesn't prevent them from being a formidable massed force. After all, they migrate :)
I believe their appearance is probably somewhere between the space skaven look of the 3rd edition image and the slime creature from xenology. The slime creature with the prehensile limbs was meant to be speculative - no-one in the imperium knows what Hrud really look like, as their flesh melts when they die.
There is nothing more hideous than their crisis battlesuit models and the Farsight model is horrific.
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40K has a few Possibilities:
The Demiurg: These guys have some ships in BFG and have had conflicts with the orks and dealings with the Eldar and Tau and are also found all over the Galaxy.
The Hrud: These guys have been hinted at in the background for a while, and although we've never had official stats we know a bit about about there habits and their tech thanks to both Inquistor and Dark Heresy. Plus Space Skaven How cool is that?
The K'Nib: All we really know is that these fought in the War in Heaven along with the Eldar and the Orks in the Armies of the Old Ones and they are still aroubnd. It might be fun to see them.
The Exodite Eldar: These guys have fought many wars against the Imperium and are scattered across the stars. Plus it'd be nice to see them fight their own battles, its not like Beil Tain and Sam Hain can bail them all out! :p
The Slanni: These are Mentioned in the 4th ed Rulebook via a picture and they date from the Rogue Trader days.
Most of the other races mentioned in passing are far to isolated or not organised beyond serving as mercs now and then.
And the other Armies from the old days awaiting reserection Such as the Arbites and the Ad Mech are all Human so it seems they are rulled out it seems
As for Fantasy the Main Avenues of expansion are mostly Human nations Such as Araby, Cathay and Nippon and Ind and even Kislev who has half an army.
This leaves the Chaos Dwarfs but one could argue that they are not a new army per say as they have a Ravening Hoards list and they can be found at quite a few tournies. Also I've never heard any confirmation of them being dropped by development. IIRC the last I heard they were tstill trying to find a way to make them into something more than a Orc army with bonus Dwarfs and better warmachines.
The other real contender is the Hobgoblin Hegemony of the Stepes. These sound like a real goer as they have a been described as beingnotorious mercs like the Ogres so they could be feilded in many armies.
Other than that there is the Fimir but I doubt we'll see the return of One-Eyed Half-Daemon Rapist Monsters! :p
Oh and then there is always Fishmen......
I'd put money on one of those.
a 3+armour that increses S (power armour anyone?)
Gauntlet that strikes last but double S (power fist)
Device to reveal hidden troops (auxpex)
sword ignores armour +1S (i'd wager a space wolf frost blade)
A relatively small world, where somehow the borders never change, everyone returns home after their alleged worldwide campaigns, and a dozen races are magically vying for equal power on one planet... this system is going to get a new race? Even when the better selling system covers an entire galaxy and thus has room for more races (realistically speaking)?
Worst idea ever.
The following on Wikipedia is a nice summary I believe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demiurg_(Warhammer...)
I personnally hope it'll be Demiugs. Squats have been dropped by GW, but they always stated that they wanted to redesign a space-dwarf race. And the best armies in 40K come from a reinterpretation of the GW esthethic cannon of their fantasy counterpart : Chaos, Eldars, Orks, Marines, Necrons... The dwarf army is a staple army of the WFB, but its conversion to 40K was perfectible. So yes, some squats figs looked goofy, but in the same era, a lot of orks and gretchins looked goofy, Eldars had a different flair, etc... GW hadn't perfected/stabilized 40K's ESTHETIC style.
So if they manage with the Demiurgs (which are not the squats but a complete reinterpretation of the "dwarves in space" archetype) to "futurize" the dwarf army's style, it could make for an OUTSTANDING result.
I'm not saying it because "dwarves in space are da bomb !!!", or whatever, but because the very essence of 40K's identity is the depiction of a future with heavily stylized esthetic schemes from the past, ie from the fantasy esthetic canon they built with WHFB. The best example would be the "future gothic architecture" of most imperial cities : that's what defines WH40K visually. And the very strong graphic identity GW built for the dwarves would still constitute a great esthetic basis for a futuristic race. That's why I say : bring on the Demiurgs !!!
So--bring back nagash, arkhan, heinrich and the like in their own, necromantic army? They've already essentially told us that that is the plan for the undead. So makes sense to me that this would be the "new army" they're talking about.
"Now here's something you don't see everyday. Zoats, not rare as singles possibly, but here are fifteen on offer.
They are from GW's Rogue Trader era, originally listed in the rules as some kind of ambassador for the Tyranids, now in the new Codex a race supposedly fleeing the Tyranids and coming into conflict with the Imperium".
so maybe the next race is Zoats?? has anyone seen the new tyrannid codex to shed any light on this???
Hope this helps?
regards Tony!
i think the Demiurg are more likley, if only to give the Tau another ally.
The Demiurg being mining Trading high tech space barons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demiurg_%28Warhamm...
but nocturnal warriors would be cool in a kind of space lizardy skaven kind of way.
Do you really think dwarves in space are more logical or dumber than orcs or elves in space? Or even 8 foot tall marines?
Really?
The whole hobby and setting is essentially extremely derivative of other works anyway (tolkien, terminator, the aliens films, I could go on) so anything goes, frankly. GW have always had a sense of fun, a silly, hodge podge approach to their games, and play stuff for laughs all the time - squats are a perfect fit for the setting. I doubt that the architects of our game are as dour and obsessive about the material as some of the gamers I meet...
Don't forget - at the end of the day, it's a bloody game of toy soldiers. At this point, we have all crossed the line into ridiculousness anyway. Just enjoy it.
I would love to see squats on the tables again.
but, since the Hrud are again mentioned in the 5th rulebook :S
BARGHESI!!!
Unfortunately this is based on the fact that they have got several recent mentions, in the 40k rulebook (Grendl Stars), and in C:SM, in the Silver Skulls(?) background entry. So it isn't water tight.
or maybe the return of The Lost and the Damned...
Sorry about the necromancy...