DISQUS

Xas · 5 months ago

the missions seam nice but 5points for a HQ is hard on some armies (which cannot just hide the HQ in a terminatorsquad inside a landraider)...

BuFFo · 5 months ago

At 2500 points, you should have no problem blowing that landraider up and killing whats inside, especially if doing so nets you 5 kill points.

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RIP Billy Mays

Lord Zarok · 5 months ago

If you are clever enough you certainly figure something out. Put your HQs in reserve and just walk em on the table hoping you dont get em for a while.

If you have to try harder, then the tournament is doing what it should!

Arhurt · 5 months ago

Can't wait to play a few games with those missions, they sound like fun!

Lord Zarok · 5 months ago

Awesome! I didnt know about Ard Boys starting so early this year until I happened to walk into the local game store for the first time. Im in oklahoma for the summer and this time the shop is a two minute drive from the house!

I just hope to be able to get my new models up an running so I can play again, and actually be able to make it to the Semi-Finals instead of having to cancel!!!

Docrailgun · 5 months ago

Why are dedicated transports an extra kp in the decond mission? Aren't they kill points anyway?

Joseph · 5 months ago

So that those like a dedicated Land Raider Transport for Terminators or Raider for Dark Eldar Wyches which are considered Elites don't garner extra points. Like how a Tactical Squad's Rhino counts as a Troop choice which does not score or take up any FOC slot.

BuFFo · 5 months ago

Forget the kill point system in the main rule book for the second mission.

The kill points in the mission replace the original rules. So dedicated transports aren't an 'extra' kill point, but rather just 1 kill point as before.

They updated the KPs for heavies, etc and HQ, and included the rest in the list to avoid confusion.

Xas · 5 months ago

so its now X points per FOC chart?

say is a hive tyrant with guards 5 or 10 KP in that missions? (HQ & retinue)

Xzandrate · 5 months ago

I'd be far more excited if they had done some homework and set it up on a weekend where most stores would run it, and verified that their listed stores are running it. I've contacted half the Michigan stores listed, and one is closing, and most of the others are opting to do the Magic pre-release that weekend because it's a bigger money maker.

Very disappointed in this event planning so far. Hopefully next year will be better luck. As it stands I don't know that I'll get a chance to play this year.

shakespear · 5 months ago

I am confused by the who 'Ard Boyz thing. GW has always said they arent interested in the tournament scene and that the game isnt designed for it. They also dont answer rule questions "officaly" and put out timely FAQs for the same reasons.

Then they come out with this. 2500 point "hard core" tournment.

I really see the whole tournament scene shiffting towards indys. Less game days and GTs every year, more large indy tournements

Take a look at the Adepticon FAQ, that gives a good idea of the shape the rules are in.

I still see people against it because it "isnt offical" What they refuse to accept is, there will never be an "offical" answer to those rule questions..

Its got to be money. No shops in MS are listed and the big ones in TN arent either

Hwilam · 5 months ago

Well, what if there were two separate companies, one which made the rules, organized tourneys, sold sponsorship rights/licensing deals/broadcast rights, and another which made the equipment?

Kinda like with FIFA and all the companies that make footballs, cleats etc...

Or like with the NFL and all the companies that make footballs, cleats etc...

It's kinda weird to have the same company organize tournaments, AND make the rules, AND make the equipment...

SandWyrm · 5 months ago

Let's see... a painting-optional tournament suddenly announced in conjunction with free shipping for June on the GW website = Sales Spike!!!

GW isn't running 'Ard Boyz because they are interested in tournaments. They're running it because they know that the competitive players will run out and buy minis in preparation for it. Like I did just now for $100.00 worth of GW/FW stuff. It's 2500 pts. because most players don't have armies that big. Ergo, more sales.

Face it, they're hurting and need the money. So they have someone type up 3 pages of rules over lunch, offer some prize support in the form of website vouchers, and let the retailers do all the hard work for them at the last minute. They're not interested in doing it "right" with Adepticon-level support because that would introduce additional costs into what's essentially an easy ploy to shore up the quarter's numbers. We can complain all we want, but it won't change GW's priorities in this regard, which have been consistent for years. So just accept it and have what fun you can.

Blaznak · 5 months ago

Help on Kill Points! So when the Space Marines split their 10 man squads, is each 1 kill point now? Or if the Heavy Weapons are peeled off from an IG squad is it a separate kill point or do both need to die? I think the Ravenwing have a similar thing going. Sorry, but this is the area that confuses me the most! Thanks in advance!

jwolf_bols · 5 months ago

Any unit is a seperate kill point. A unit is anything that can move away from something else (except retinues). So each combat squad is a kill point.

Blaznak · 5 months ago

Oooh! killy. Thanks! I just was reading those rules but could not quite get it straight. I will go and take a second look. If you have an authoritative page number, that'd be great! Sorry for the bother! :)

jwolf_bols · 5 months ago

P. 91 for Kill points, P.3 for Units.

KellyJ · 5 months ago

PG 51 in the Codex...near the bottom:
"If you decide to split a unit into combat squads, then each combat squad is treated as a seperate unit for all game purposes from that point."

crazyredpraetorian · 5 months ago

Mission/Tournament rules over ride the codex.

Lord Zarok · 5 months ago

Errrr yea but the Mission goes hand in hand with said rule. So if you split a squad each is worth a point each. Kelly is right.

Blaznak · 5 months ago

Thanks Jwolf_bols and KellyJ! I'll go over it again.

nojinx · 5 months ago

Something funky with those missions: The retreat states "friendly, long deployment edge" in scenario one, but "nearest deployment edge" in the other two.
So, if I am in scenario 2 using dawn of war deployment and I have a unit fall back, I have to choose the nearest of three sides of the table?!?!

Lord Zarok · 5 months ago

Erm yes as per usual.

nojinx · 5 months ago

It is usual for you to use three sides of the table for fallback? That is odd. What caused you to deviate from the rulebook?

Ian · 5 months ago

For deployment (unless 'Ard Boyz deployment rules are different than the normal rulebook ones, I didn't check) you always choose a long table edge and base your deployment zone off of that edge. I think that would be the "deployment edge" you're talking about here.

nojinx · 4 months ago

Thanks. I did find a post from Schaffer (sp?) of GW on Dakka Dakka stating that deployment edge was supposed to be the long edge and that he had erred.