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Re: 40K NEWS: Ard Boyz Prelims and Missions

nojinx — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:28:27 -0000

Thanks. I did find a post from Schaffer (sp?) of GW on Dakka Dakka stating that deployment edge was supposed to be the long edge and that he had erred.

Re: 40K NEWS: Ard Boyz Prelims and Missions

SandWyrm — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 01:35:26 -0000

Let's see... a painting-optional tournament suddenly announced in conjunction with free shipping for June on the GW website = Sales Spike!!!

GW isn't running 'Ard Boyz because they are interested in tournaments. They're running it because they know that the competitive players will run out and buy minis in preparation for it. Like I did just now for $100.00 worth of GW/FW stuff. It's 2500 pts. because most players don't have armies that big. Ergo, more sales.

Face it, they're hurting and need the money. So they have someone type up 3 pages of rules over lunch, offer some prize support in the form of website vouchers, and let the retailers do all the hard work for them at the last minute. They're not interested in doing it "right" with Adepticon-level support because that would introduce additional costs into what's essentially an easy ploy to shore up the quarter's numbers. We can complain all we want, but it won't change GW's priorities in this regard, which have been consistent for years. So just accept it and have what fun you can.

Re: 40K NEWS: Ard Boyz Prelims and Missions

Ian — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:41:42 -0000

For deployment (unless 'Ard Boyz deployment rules are different than the normal rulebook ones, I didn't check) you always choose a long table edge and base your deployment zone off of that edge. I think that would be the "deployment edge" you're talking about here.

Re: 40K NEWS: Ard Boyz Prelims and Missions

nojinx — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:32:03 -0000

It is usual for you to use three sides of the table for fallback? That is odd. What caused you to deviate from the rulebook?

Re: 40K NEWS: Ard Boyz Prelims and Missions

Lord Zarok — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:42:32 -0000

Erm yes as per usual.

Re: 40K NEWS: Ard Boyz Prelims and Missions

nojinx — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:03:02 -0000

Something funky with those missions: The retreat states "friendly, long deployment edge" in scenario one, but "nearest deployment edge" in the other two.
So, if I am in scenario 2 using dawn of war deployment and I have a unit fall back, I have to choose the nearest of three sides of the table?!?!

Re: 40K NEWS: Ard Boyz Prelims and Missions

Hwilam — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:07:20 -0000

Well, what if there were two separate companies, one which made the rules, organized tourneys, sold sponsorship rights/licensing deals/broadcast rights, and another which made the equipment?

Kinda like with FIFA and all the companies that make footballs, cleats etc...

Or like with the NFL and all the companies that make footballs, cleats etc...

It's kinda weird to have the same company organize tournaments, AND make the rules, AND make the equipment...

Re: 40K NEWS: Ard Boyz Prelims and Missions

Blaznak — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:04:15 -0000

Thanks Jwolf_bols and KellyJ! I'll go over it again.

Re: 40K NEWS: Ard Boyz Prelims and Missions

Lord Zarok — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:56:41 -0000

Errrr yea but the Mission goes hand in hand with said rule. So if you split a squad each is worth a point each. Kelly is right.

Re: 40K NEWS: Ard Boyz Prelims and Missions

crazyredpraetorian — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:37:33 -0000

Mission/Tournament rules over ride the codex.

Re: 40K NEWS: Ard Boyz Prelims and Missions

KellyJ — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:56:40 -0000

PG 51 in the Codex...near the bottom:
"If you decide to split a unit into combat squads, then each combat squad is treated as a seperate unit for all game purposes from that point."

Re: 40K NEWS: Ard Boyz Prelims and Missions

jwolf_bols — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:05:48 -0000

P. 91 for Kill points, P.3 for Units.

Re: 40K NEWS: Ard Boyz Prelims and Missions

Blaznak — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:00:04 -0000

Oooh! killy. Thanks! I just was reading those rules but could not quite get it straight. I will go and take a second look. If you have an authoritative page number, that'd be great! Sorry for the bother! :)

Re: 40K NEWS: Ard Boyz Prelims and Missions

jwolf_bols — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:57:20 -0000

Any unit is a seperate kill point. A unit is anything that can move away from something else (except retinues). So each combat squad is a kill point.

Re: 40K NEWS: Ard Boyz Prelims and Missions

Blaznak — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:44:09 -0000

Help on Kill Points! So when the Space Marines split their 10 man squads, is each 1 kill point now? Or if the Heavy Weapons are peeled off from an IG squad is it a separate kill point or do both need to die? I think the Ravenwing have a similar thing going. Sorry, but this is the area that confuses me the most! Thanks in advance!

Re: 40K NEWS: Ard Boyz Prelims and Missions

shakespear — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:54:04 -0000

I am confused by the who 'Ard Boyz thing. GW has always said they arent interested in the tournament scene and that the game isnt designed for it. They also dont answer rule questions "officaly" and put out timely FAQs for the same reasons.

Then they come out with this. 2500 point "hard core" tournment.

I really see the whole tournament scene shiffting towards indys. Less game days and GTs every year, more large indy tournements

Take a look at the Adepticon FAQ, that gives a good idea of the shape the rules are in.

I still see people against it because it "isnt offical" What they refuse to accept is, there will never be an "offical" answer to those rule questions..

Its got to be money. No shops in MS are listed and the big ones in TN arent either

Re: 40K NEWS: Ard Boyz Prelims and Missions

Xas — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 17:53:18 -0000

so its now X points per FOC chart?

say is a hive tyrant with guards 5 or 10 KP in that missions? (HQ & retinue)

Re: 40K NEWS: Ard Boyz Prelims and Missions

Xzandrate — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 17:27:25 -0000

I'd be far more excited if they had done some homework and set it up on a weekend where most stores would run it, and verified that their listed stores are running it. I've contacted half the Michigan stores listed, and one is closing, and most of the others are opting to do the Magic pre-release that weekend because it's a bigger money maker.

Very disappointed in this event planning so far. Hopefully next year will be better luck. As it stands I don't know that I'll get a chance to play this year.

Re: 40K NEWS: Ard Boyz Prelims and Missions

BuFFo — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 17:10:19 -0000

Forget the kill point system in the main rule book for the second mission.

The kill points in the mission replace the original rules. So dedicated transports aren't an 'extra' kill point, but rather just 1 kill point as before.

They updated the KPs for heavies, etc and HQ, and included the rest in the list to avoid confusion.

Re: 40K NEWS: Ard Boyz Prelims and Missions

Joseph — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:57:35 -0000

So that those like a dedicated Land Raider Transport for Terminators or Raider for Dark Eldar Wyches which are considered Elites don't garner extra points. Like how a Tactical Squad's Rhino counts as a Troop choice which does not score or take up any FOC slot.

Re: 40K NEWS: Ard Boyz Prelims and Missions

Docrailgun — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:52:45 -0000

Why are dedicated transports an extra kp in the decond mission? Aren't they kill points anyway?

Re: 40K NEWS: Ard Boyz Prelims and Missions

Lord Zarok — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:50:25 -0000

If you are clever enough you certainly figure something out. Put your HQs in reserve and just walk em on the table hoping you dont get em for a while.

If you have to try harder, then the tournament is doing what it should!

Re: 40K NEWS: Ard Boyz Prelims and Missions

Lord Zarok — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:48:32 -0000

Awesome! I didnt know about Ard Boys starting so early this year until I happened to walk into the local game store for the first time. Im in oklahoma for the summer and this time the shop is a two minute drive from the house!

I just hope to be able to get my new models up an running so I can play again, and actually be able to make it to the Semi-Finals instead of having to cancel!!!

Re: 40K NEWS: Ard Boyz Prelims and Missions

BuFFo — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:48:21 -0000

At 2500 points, you should have no problem blowing that landraider up and killing whats inside, especially if doing so nets you 5 kill points.

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RIP Billy Mays

Re: 40K NEWS: Ard Boyz Prelims and Missions

Arhurt — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:30:24 -0000

Can't wait to play a few games with those missions, they sound like fun!