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Re: 40K NEWS: Forgeworld IA Updates

Myu — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:19:39 -0000

Not sure, I'd email forgeworld. It may be that the Prometheus is more balanced with ten, but I don't have any experience with using it.

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Capn_Stoogey — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:06:53 -0000

Its actually for a Prometheus though (Awesome Variant!). The old rules had it at transport capacity 10, like the standard raider, but when GW upped the standard capacity to 12, the Prometheus stayed at 10, which sux cos you cant have a full squad with an attached character. This is wierd because its original fluff had it used as a command vehicle. I really want it to be 12, but i dont want to go against the rules, im stuck!

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Larry Guffey — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:45:17 -0000

Finally points and rules revisions for the first two big books of fun!

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Hyperion — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:54:52 -0000

How convenient... finished this yesterday, and today there's rules for it :)
http://yfrog.com/37photo0274jx

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Myu — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 08:33:47 -0000

I'd use the vanilla marine codex over the forgeworld books for any units from there. For other marine chapters, not sure. I'm guessing it would be up to the player to choose.

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Funky — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 06:25:00 -0000

Interesting. I don't disagree - in fact I had a heated discussion in GW on Saturday about exactly this point. The assumption made, based on that sentence from the rulebook was that ALL ordnance weapons use the large blast template unless specified otherwise. Using the Blast rules on page 30, this would also mean that any ordnance weapon would have to roll scatter dice - lascannon, demolisher cannon, whatever. I rather resent rolling a scatter dice for a weapon with a 24" range and no minimum - at close range I can hit my own tank and on one memorable occasion the shot actually landed behind it, hitting my own rear armour!

Considering their importance in the game, the rules for Ordnance weapons are vague at best.

This needs clarifying, as in the recent SM codex, the Demolisher is listed as Ordnance 1 - no blast. In the summary at the back it's Ordnance 1, Barrage. I believe both to be incorrect. In the IG codex the Demolisher is Ordnance 1, Large Blast. Hellstrike missiles are Ordnance 1, no blast.

My take is that if it doesn't say blast, there is no blast template and you don't roll scatter dice. GW employees disagree, and that throwaway sentence on pg 58 just muddies the water.

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Capn_Stoogey — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:07:25 -0000

I was wondering about that too, which rules do we use?

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DM294 — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 00:02:32 -0000

Incredible! Now the Armored company is viable to use in normal games, since they can capture points with armored fist troop choices! w00t!

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Quarren — Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:12:30 -0000

What are Warmachine Detatchments? It says to refer to the codex but I don't see it there...

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Teun135 — Sun, 30 Aug 2009 21:22:26 -0000

So are we getting such an update to Siege of Vraks 1? I want updates to the renegade list so that it isn't so complicated/confusing as the 4th ed IG dex was.

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Dingareth — Sun, 30 Aug 2009 21:06:48 -0000

All Ordnance Blast weapons yes. Is the Laser Destroyer a Ordnance Blast weapon? No, it's an Ordnance weapon. It's simply a super Lascannon with 2D6 penetration, rather than an explosion.

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Funky — Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:50:11 -0000

The Redeemer is in the standard SM codex. It's not in IA 1 or 2 and Forge World don't make the model so there's no reason why it would be in this update.

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Funky — Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:40:20 -0000

On page 58 of the 40K rule book it says, "unless their profile specifies otherwise, all ordnance blast weapons use the large blast marker."

I expect they forgot to add the blast size, but in the meantime there's your workround.

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Atrotos — Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:39:07 -0000

I agree with you on a lot of this but I'm not against the new site layout. Your complaints have more to with the frequency and content of posts that any perceived changes in site design.

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Atrotos — Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:36:32 -0000

Ordnance in this case only means a boost in anti-tank power as you'll two dice (keep the highest) for armor penetration. There is no blast.

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gwensdad — Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:10:10 -0000

Trying to decide if I need to really rant about the Land Speeder Tempest no longer being a Heavy Support choice for White Scars or if I should just go on about the misprints-like having 2 entries for the Baneblade.

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Bitten By Design — Sun, 30 Aug 2009 18:51:57 -0000

nice, this is great for those of us who don't have the books and need reference points, or just want to try the rules out without spending the cost of the book in advance. ;-)

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fireball — Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:03:38 -0000

umm, a question about the Destroyer Tank Hunter:

Ordnance 1 - no blast indicated. What does this mean? Is this without any blast? Just a single point shot that is done like any ordnance shot with a scatter dice? In other stats there is always the blast size indicated, like 'small blast' or '5"blast' and so on... what now?

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ironhandskyle — Sun, 30 Aug 2009 16:41:30 -0000

Grey Knight players we have a great victory! the vehicles now are updated and we can now have psycannon bolts, psycannon turrets on land raider, and heavy bolters that do the same as everyone else

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Maine — Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:45:07 -0000

For the most part, looking over the doc, it looks like units have been updated to match their Codex counterpart if such exists, though none of the Guard stuff shows up as a Squadron.

The Superheavies have been updated to use the points and stats straight out of Apoc, including templates. This means the Apoc BB is the same as using it in a standard game (of course, being a superheavy, its not something you usually bring to just any random game anyways).

It looks like all of the rules you need are in those 2 PDFs, so the books shouldn't be necessary anymore.

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SinSynn — Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:30:54 -0000

reviewing all the topics since the site change, I notice that far fewer comments get posted per topic than before the change.
Most topics would garner 100 or so comments (sometimes even the 'pic of the day' would get 60 plus!), and since the change this number seems to have dropped off dramatically. A good post would have 150 plus comments. No longer, it seems.
I'm wondering if this trend will continue, or will things return to normal. The 'back and forth' discussion that took place in the comment section was often more entertaining than the original post, and it was always cool to hear varied opinions from 'down the block' to 'across the pond'.
I guess like so many others, I really feel that the new layout/format here at BoLS sucks, and it's neither more friendly or more organized. Change CAN be a good thing. But I'm afraid that's not the case here.
So, after a couple of days of feeling it out, I have to give the new look BoLS a big 'thumbs down', and the more time I spend with it, the less I like it. This means I will spend less time here. I'll probably only visit every few days, so I'll let the posts 'build up'. This way I can browse them all quick, just reading the ones that interest me.
I used to visit every day and read everything, just 'cuz it was there. That's how Groov3r got me into epic, and I learned a little something here and there about fantasy and Lord of the Rings, even though I don't play those.
But I guess those days are over. Ah, well.
Sorry to post this, but I had to get it off my chest. I hate to be all like "this sucks", but in this case it's really true. I love BoLS, it was a 'main stop' for me daily, and I'm gonna miss it. But, with the new format, 'I've lost that lovin' feeling', like the song says.

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zanzibar — Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:22:59 -0000

The rules for the GK redeemer are in IA7 and they are everything that you'd expect.

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thekiller23 — Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:17:37 -0000

Turrets can take the executioner plascannon... wait, what?

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Formerly Wu — Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:40:32 -0000

On one hand, a Vulture with TL Punisher cannons or 4 MRPs is utter death to any infantry unit.

On the other... why doesn't it have Scout? :\ And 150 points is a little pricey given the existence of the Vendetta.

Still glad to see it given updated skimmer rules.

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Redsun95 — Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:02:39 -0000

no land raider redeemer in this book? ive been looknig for the rules an point cost of the flamestorm incinerators for a long time, thought it was in the second IA book