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I'll probably use the Terminators with my Guardians of the Covenant or whichever Chapter. I don't think people are going to care that some of my Marines have blood drops on their shoulder pads. If they do, I probably shouldn't be playing with them.
Does anyone else think there's tremendous potential to work Space Hulk into a long-running 40k campaign as a representation of boarding actions? I can't wait to work up rules for power-armored Marines, Imperial Navy crewmen, and non-Tyranid xenos.
On the subject of limited quantities, I ask "WHY!!!??!" Anyone with even a shred of business sense knows that, unless you are in an industry that NEEDS an aftermarket (i.e. Baseball Cards), you want to limit qty available only by what you can sell.
If GW can't support the game on an ongoing basis, they should have FFG release the game and sit back and collect royalties. There is NO REASON for something like this to be limited - other than simple and common BAD JUDGMENT on the part of GW execs.
After seeing the financial, I had considered buying some GW stock; now - that's about as likely as a plaguebearer cracking a land raider.
Mark Wells, Shampoo Salesman has screwed this up, again.
I won't be ordering one.
"OH NOES!1! U MUST GETZ ONE!1! LIMITED QUANTITIEZ!"
Yeah, whatever....
I don't care.
There was a joke in there?
also, a "limited" release ensures anxiety and a "MUST BUY BEFORE ANYBODY ELSE DOES" kind of thing for consumers
If you don't understand even this simple form of business concept, you probably shouldn't buy any sort of stock. Stick with the Lotto, laddie.
1: call it a limited run and people buy it NOW, not in a few months and you can still put it into permanent production later saying it was popular enough.
2: EVERYTHING new GW does is "limited run" ... those superheavies in plastic? limited run in the sense that if they hadn't sold then we wouldnt get any new ones. EVERYTHING forgeworld does is limited run as well...do I need to go on?
Point of fact is that this isnt a PR trainwreck to anyone with a brain who has seen how GW operates, it is simply clever marketing.
If I get this and Assassin's Creed 2 this December it will be a very Merry Christmas.
$99 is awful steep but at least the minis are original and dynamically posed.
so they can pre-finance the production for Xmass bissunes
this is a full game-kit that also gets people into 40k...
so we will prob. see it in regulare stores for cheaper later this year just like Blackreach.
but i find this limited-stock adverteising very anoying
Not when it's 100 bucks and limited edition. The only people who will be buying it are existing fans - everyone else will look at it and go "Do I really want to rush myself to spend this much money on something I may not even enjoy?". AoBR is much more of a hobby-starter than this will ever be.
5 Termies = $50.
Space Hulk = 11 Termies, Termy Libby, 22 Stealers, and a Broodlord. That's effectively a free Libby plus the Stealers, screw the actual game, it'd be worth it on its own.
Assault on Black Reach....£50 in the UK
This is a one of boxed game with a shed load of mini's that were ALL designed specifically for the game and (I highly doubt) won't be available in any other format than in the box set.
To me, £60 is about right for boxed game considering you pay £40 for MONOPOLY!!! With no minitures inside and only paper and card with a board, I think it's steep to pay £40 for that....£60 for everything you get in Hulk...perfect.
Plus, it puts the box outside the small people cost range and means that people who will actually appreciate the game will get to buy and use it rather than some short, snot nosed little baggage getting it, using it once or twice, getting the books torn, loosing models and doorways and maybe bending/destroying the corridors before finally deciding to get rid of it and selling it at a car boot sale for £5 cause no-one wants only half a boxed game.
............Did he say pawn or porn?
How is your battle board? Thomas told me you got him into making it and painting it? Don't forget to bring the Old school dreadnought to the store! Any chance youd bring that tomorrow??? or thursday rather?
Sigh.
I get so steamed at GW marketing.
So what if the termies are presculpted in BA... they aren't supposed to supplement your damn ultramines army, they are for this board game!]
So what if it is a limited run? chances are if it sells out they will put it into production anyway as we all know GW loves to make a fast buck.
GW could have just made some floor tiles and dumped current models in with them and called it a new game, instead they got their sculpters to put in a huge effort to make the boardgame itself more atmospheric by making dynamic characters and even giving us a glimpse of potential BA new releases... so stop crying into your milk and cookies, pull your soiled diapers up and go and tell mommy to order a copy.
GW had the opportunity to knock this out of the park and all we're seeing is "Limited Quanities" and cardstock corridors. This could've been the set to blow people's minds with all plastic tiles and fiddly bits (that seriously would've costed less than printing cardstock) and a promo campaign to demo the game up until it's release date to show us how they could've updated the rules. But they haven't.
I realize now that I have a dysfunctional relationship with GW where I'm the battered wife and they're the husband that tells me that they only hit me because the love me. After the crap that was Apocalypse, the price jacking on the Citadel Battle Board, the mediocre effort that went into Planetary Empires, not to mention White Dwarf's downward spiral into becoming a waste of time and money every month, the hits just keep on coming. And not only that, but the quality of staff that I've encountered lately have been insulting, arrogant, and plain lazy.
Well no more. GW's rerelease of Space Hulk is a slap in the face and a punch in the gut, and I'm not taking any more. It's going to be a very very cold day in hell before I buy anymore product. I'll work on the armies that I have and I'll play at my FLGS, but I will not spend another dime at a GW store.
Buy none!
LOL
That's no different than buying generic terminators and throwing away the cardboard box they come in. Well, other than the whining....
This isn't an AoBR release. It's not a starter set designed to give a good introductory deal to the new player. It's not a special splash box designed to give the long time veteran a bunch of cheap terminators for their army. This is a standalone board game.
I understand that it'd be nice to get some terminators that could easily run "double duty", but if you're not willing to do the work on the models included in Space Hulk, then don't buy it and instead spend your $100 USD on two boxes of plain old Terminators.
play space hulk
use the termies as part of the ba 1st company army im building
Disclaimer: This post is facetious, I have already pre-ordered my copy.
Space Hulk.
Well, now that we finally have this out of the way, maybe GW can start working on bigger things, like, I dunno, updating some of their hella-old races? Yes? No?
Nah, probably too much to ask for.
Then they can do a Deathwatch, Grey Knights, and Adepta Sororitas codex. SEPARATE codices that is, not one large piece of crap (as such a combined codex would invariably be), but three individual quality works.
GW could have made a TON of money with plastic board pieces, would have been awesome material for expanding the CoD/Planetstrike terrain. I would have loved to paint up a space hulk.
Only plus is a few nicely sculpted models and that they got rid of the stupid firing dice from 2nd ed.
GW, you've guaranteed that the rulebook will get pirated almost as soon as it comes out. Try putting out something new for a change.
As for the pirating, people are going to do that anyway. Everybody seems to love to bite the hand that feeds them. They don't seem to connect the fact that the game they are enjoying exists solely as long as GW stays in business.
And these new cardboard board pieces are "debossed" (quoting the press release), another outsourced project (you think GW has a thick cardboard debosser in their production facility?).
I estimate they could have easily made it all plasticn with MUCH more detail for as little as 50% more in cost. It's limited release anyway.
Not impressed
I would guess this is a "Made in China" venture, to save them money, and see what their cheap labour can do on plastic figs, not just all their terrain (been Chinese for years...). And not to mention all the Chinese codex/army book printings.
IF I worked for GW in production, I would be very afraid for my job over the next few years, as the writing is on the wall, and it looks like this: 黑体宋体楷體.
flash some stills and add music does not equal a video (i guess technically it does). but come on man event the cut scenes in DOW2 were better.
anyway great game and i preordered it because i have enough money to play the game and am not going to bitch about GWs prices.
but then they just switched to a floating box
My re-released copy has been pre-ordered and I can't wait for my box to arrive. I feel like a kid again...
Ehh. Of course, I'm going to get it anyway...born suckers like me are the reason GW stays in buisiness. But I was seriously hoping for something better.
I am getting the game to play the game, not for minis to use in 40K. That being said, these minis could easily be based-up for the table top. Yes, I have an Ultramarines army but I think it would be cool to have a squad of Blood Angels team up with my guys for a unique scenario. Furthermore, I plan to build a Tyrranid army down the line- this will give me a little head start.
So many negative nellies here. To quote Shawn from Blue Table Painting about GW- "They're a company, they're making money, and I say God Bless 'em". I agree- and so long as they have a quality product- more power to them. Let the market decide(and you watch, this WILL sell it and you know it).
That just made my morning
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/artic...
Blood Angels and not Deathwing!?! Heresy! Nevertheless, I ordered my copy around 6 AM Eastern time!
This is great news though, Space Hulk was the first thing i bought in a GW store along with Advanced Space Crusade so I have happy memories. Pre-ordered my copy this morning, just the inspiration I was looking for to update my Blood Angels army :D
Um, dude... There was a whole spacehulk expansion TITLED deathwing.
Ok so it was pretty much what they had done before, they lied, so what. Time will tell as people compare it to descent and similar board games with more stuff at a cheaper price if it can hold its own once all the vets buy a copy.
Last time I looked in my game closet, I had Space Hulk ver 1 & 2 in there so, yeah, they kinda have done this before.
They sell you 25cent (production) figs for 25$
Every price increas was explained with lies
Every new rule change is just a way to make more $
They spread most of these rumors
To you its a hobby for them its $$$
To you it's a hobby. To them it's a business.
Same with any industry, even more so with Niche industries like Wargaming.
If you don't like it, don't buy it. I'm sure there are people out there who will buy it.
Let me repeat that.
GW DOES NOT HAVE THAT KIND OF MONEY.
Honestly, if people would just think about these things, we'd see a lot less whining.
GW's doing alright for itself, finally, but they're not making the massive profits everyone thinks they are. See their yearly financial releases if you don't believe me.
Other miniature makers don't use as high quality of molds, a lot of times, because they don't sell as much, or they use metal, which is cheaper to get molds for. However, they also charge less because the company is not as big. If you only have to pay 10 people, you don't need to make as much on each mini as when you need to pay 1000. Not all of them are cheaper, either; look at Wargames Foundry, for instance.
They do make money from minis, no doubt, but not as much as everyone seems to think. And they're a business, it's their point to make money.
But what it all comes down to is, if you don't want it, don't buy it. But you gain nothing by going around complaining about it. Speak with your wallet.
Let's say each of the five(?) sprues in a Russ box requires a mold that costs GW $200K. That's a $1M investment on top of the labor required to design the model in the first place. I don't know how many Russes GW sells in a year, but it's probably less than 50,000 copies, which means that the first year's run of an entirely new kit has $20 of mold costs to pay back per box. That will drop over time, but you start to see what kind of investment is required to make new models.
That's How Business Works My Friend And Clearly You Haven't Got A Clue.
GW Sells a product to retailers at 45% off. GW Profits = ~20% of retail
Retailer sells the product to customer at retail: FLGS profits: 45% of retail
customer sells product on Ebay. Low supply and high demand return 200% of retail. Customer Profits = 100% of retail.
So tell me, how is it that GW and teh FLGS benefit over the reseller in this model?
Sales:125,706
Cost of sales: (35,919)
Gross profit: 89,787
This gives them a gross profit margin of 71%. (not bad you're thinking?)
However after operating expenses, finance and tax... their net profit is just 5,432. This gives them a net profit margin of 4.3%.
If you are buying counterfeit, then you are a parasite and a thief.
By buying second had you have created a middle man... not removed one.
Buying counterfeit is the only way to cut GW out of the equation.
If you buy second-hand, eBay or online 3rd party, GW still gets their wholesale price.
And I win all the time, both with my marines and my tyranids. They're a mix of retail and second-hand purchases, by the way. "All" may have been an exaggeration, but I try to be thrifty in a recession and not just go wild, throwing money like its going out of style. Some of us have real lives, jobs, families, etc, and have to do the best we can with what we have. Just trying to have a little cost-effective fun, that's all.
For some people, they've already reached that point. For me, GW continues to improve the quality of their sculpts, so that makes the prices tolerable.
They aren't price gouging or ripping people off (this isn't something you need) any more than car manufacturers do when they show you the automatic start, heated seats, and tinted windows. You want the stuff, you pay more money.
o.O
Do you know ANYTHING about the processes that go into creating those models?
Sure, the final moulding costs are cheap enough but not 25cent. The plastic is worth more than that for a start.
Lets move backwards through the chain as well cause you've got the cost of the guy(s) running the machines....maintenance of the machines.....the machine itself (about £5000 by my reckoning)....the costs in terms of electricity, gas etc.....
Now...continue up the chain to the design team who come up with all those models. Their wages and time that is put into each model. The costs incurred by other staff members to turn those models into viable sprues which can then be produced. You'ev also got the people who produce the box art and designs as well as the photographer(s) who take the photos for those boxes....not to forget the cost of the card and the transfers. Taking into account the instructions in every box have to be made by some-one you've got at least another person there and the cost of the paper and staples...There's at least 7 people on the Heavy Metal team and they don't really do any of the production.
Continuing....we move into the marketing side of things with regards to the advertising that GW has...mainly in the form of White Dwarf which manages to get it's money back from it's own cost but that's still got to be produced.
We've then got the back room staff such as the Admin, accountants and wage clerks. Auditors who ensure everything is right with the business and so on etc etc etc.
So....25 cent a model....get your head into the real world.
Sure, GW makes money...but that's the whole point of a business!!!!
Have you even LOOKED at their yearly returns??
Now tell em its limited edition and only 90$ but you HAVE to order NOW
People here are actin like GW is the redeemer
Its the exact same thing as 1992 just fresh figs.
Space Hulk looks like fan service. Its only ever likely to be bought by nerds like us anyway, how many people do you know who went out and bough the world of warcraft board game or DOOM board game who weren't already gamers.
Its fan service form GW and a nice source of income to keep an at times almost bankrupt company going. The hype and limited edition ploy was a good way of making all those people who petitioned for this game actually buy it so GW don't loose money on it
***Never done before***
Used to use cream plastic for the old skeletons too.
Having no terrain or sculpted board pieces is disappointing, but ya gotta love the dead marine in a throne.
It's thick, very thick, card with laminated image printed over each piece. With this they've made it like the old game so it can be slotted like a jigsaw...old school...I like it.
As for the cost. The Terminators alone cover the £60 you're shelling out for the game.
*Sigh*
The minis look amazing too!
Pre ordered! Even better is that it said $165 on the product page but was only $150 when I went to the checkout! Free shipping too. :D:D
Where from Canada, Australia?
Chaosgerbil,
Everyone gets shown the price in their countries currency. 99 USD for you.
If NZ, I might have to cancel my order at the gaming store and order online... I'll probably get it quicker and at $40 less!
Plan on selling one in a couple of years ;)
The old Terminator figures weren't up to much and although the Genestealers can still be found in my Tyranid army even today, they weren’t exactly exciting. It would have been fairly easy for them just to give us the standard 40k models in the box, but they didn’t, instead they decided to go and make a load of new ones which look pretty awesome!
My only gripe would be that it's a shame they're not on 40k bases. I can appreciate that the dramatic poses which the Genestealers are in cool, but it would have been nice if for our £60 we also added a load of extra figures to our 40k armies. I know a lot of people will just stick them to bases anyway and with the Terminators in particular it won't be hard to remove the tabs and replace them with a base. But given that people will do it anyway, why didn't they just do it to start with?
Other than this minor whinge I think it looks good and I'm looking forward to giving it a go in early September.
YES! If the minis were a non-specific chapter I'd be buying it. My 40k Marine army isn't BA so they're no use to me in 40k. Lovely sculpts though they may be.
Good luck to GW with this. Lets see more 'expanded' games please... just keep the chapters/armies generic.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogP...
Anyone procrastinating on getting this item who really wants it take note of this text from the aforementioned article:
"This is a one-off, limited edition product, with a single print run. If you have any interest in owning your own Space Hulk, I strongly suggest you advance order a copy today. Do not wait, because when they're gone, they're gone (although one of the Studio team did hint at a doing 50th anniversary edition in 2039). And DO NOT put this on your wish list, forget about it and expect to get one..."
WHO CARES.
I truly honestly don't care about this "Space Hulk", especially after all the hype.
It's just so, "meh".
Sathos want a cracker?
I played Space Hulk back in the days when it came out and it brought me into the Hobby so this is actually a real nice treat for all the oldies around that are into Warhammer since 20 years or more.
That said, I ordered my box just this very early morning and I am glad if not all the SpaceMarine players buy one there might be more available for the old time gamers out there that really don't care about what origin the Marines in the box are.
I also have to disagree with Jon about the price tag, the material in the box, whether be it the cardboard pieces or the sculpts look pretty okay to me and 58 pounds (here in the UK) is quite reasonable for a box this big.
I was like you too really anticipating this edition- just with blood angels- i feel somewhat disappointed
Looks interesting, but unless I sell my 360, I can't really afford it until after they've sold out (probably) :(
I sooooooooooooo WANT! First week of September cannot come fast enough.
...and in terms of if they are for just this board game why get rid of the deathwing other than to advertise the upcoming blood angels re-release. I would be happier if they kept the deathwing and did a resculpt- they have the fluff history against 'stealers and are meant to be the experts at stealer clearing in space hulks- hell I would have preferred it if they had done it with the blood angels death company rather than termies- at least that way it would be a bit more interesting and kept you playing again and again
i have NEVER pre-ordered anything from GW before or indeed anything else.Have been watching several sets of SH go for silly money on ebay from greedy buggers.Bet their near worthless now...
as i play tyranids,the climby stealers will look great as a unit in buildings for 40k(LOS might suck,as their quite tall?)
Marines sculpts are amazing.Mine will be painted to fit in with my chaos marine army.Dont care about the DA icons.
less whingeing,,,i could have been.....bugmans???
I think that depends on a few things.
1) Availability of SH 3.0. From my LGS I have heard that GW is offering up to 20 copies to each Partner level store. That means that anyone that wants one, can most certainly get one.
2) Rules of 3.0 - If the rules closely mirror 1st ed., people who want or like the 2nd edition might still be willing to pay the extra cash to have their own copy.
3) Availability of 1st/2nd ed - People who buy the third might seek to finance that purchase by selling off their old copies. If so, that might increase online inventories and drop prices.
4) Models of 3rd edition - Sure, they look cool. Maybe for playing the game they won't seem so hot, especially the "moving terrain" look of the whole thing. If that's the case and the game play is very close to 1st edition, people might even increase the demand for that edition.
(In any case, I pre-ordered mine yesterday. I want to try this version of the game and have more than enough 40K minis for my other 4 armies...)
Blood Angels March...
Tyranids September...
Coincidence?
I for one don´t even need nids.
Also there are no bases ;(
If it hits the reatilers later this year i might get one & sell the nids on ebay! xD
I was actually hoping they were less chapter specific, cause I wanted to paint something other then red for a change.
I think these termies will join my BA army and I'll paint up some AOBR-termies for the game.
Got it pre-ordered. It's been ages since I played space-quest (as the MB knock off was known in the Netherlands)
This is going to be a sweet way to end my vacation.
I want to paint something ellse then red for the Spacehulk game.
I love these models, but they don't give me full freedom on a new colourscheme.
But I do have plenty of termie models that'll suit this game just fine, which will now no longer join my blood angel army.
This game, I wouldn't buy if I didn't want it for the game.
There are no secret police that are going to stop anyone from painting their own models however they want.
Read the post:
1st sentence:
I Love them.
I'm just juggling my miniatures around to get the most from everything. I pay for them. I get to decide what to do with them.
If that's not eing creative enough for your taste well,
I don't know you and your oppinion about me doesn't really affect me that much.
Try to be a bit more polite please.....
personally these termies will go awesome with my soul drinkers...oh, they are purple by the way :)
It does give me hope for new BA stuff, though I would gladly trade it for a new DE 'dex. :-S
I'm a Chaos player, so the models don't help me there. But I'm considering using them as an excuse to build a small terminator-based space marine force (probably Blood Angels, but maybe different).
My only disappointment is the cardboard sections. Considering all the terrain sets being released lately, I was hoping for plastic sections. I don't know how long the card will last.
950 dead?!
Are these dead Blood Angels? - Coz that's like the WHOLE Chapter!! The Smurfs lost 100 1st company guys to Tyranids and they still can't stop crying about it like little girls. Now, we're supposed to believe that the Blood Angels have lost their entire chapter to a bunch of Jean-Sneakers??
Woah! So doesn't that make the Blood Angels even more on the verge of extinction than Crimson Fists....
This is blowing my Fluff mind.
I could be wrong though...
I've also heard that this item will be sold in GW stores on the release day, but ONLY FOR THAT ONE DAY. I'd hate to have to depend on getting one then. Who knows how many copies each store will have or how fast they'll disappear. If you really want Space Hulk, buy it now while it's available on the web with no need to hope they have enough copies on Sept. 5 or to battle your way into a queue for it.
The contents are great quality and alone would be $200 to $300 to purchase. The minis look fantastic and while they do not have the standard 25mm bases, it would take no great effort to fix this. This little setback aside, this is what it is; a game that is separate from the core tabletop 40K rules we all traditionally play by. I imagine that a number of veterans will be excited to introduce younger generations into the fold with the same game that drew them in.
This also has some great potential. While this may be a limited run, what about expansions? If this works, GW could easily cash in on the success with a few add-on sets. And there is nothing stopping us from using our existing minis for custom missions. Some of he older issues of WD have custom SH missions and character details which I will certainly be trying out (WD158, Feb 1993, 3 missions and Wolf Guard character stats).
I say well done, I am
this made me LOL. If that's the case I've got some lovely beach front property to sell you in Arizona
Again - overall, I'm ok with this product. I don't like the fact that they're making it limited edition, especially at that price, I don't hate the models (with a noted exception), but if you compare it to the 40k line they are obviously going to come up short, and that's exactly why you're paying $100 and not $200-250.
To borrow a quote from Annannoyed elsewhere in this thread:
"This is what (Space Hulk is) all about - a fun self-contained casual game, not an expensive annex to your bits box."
Either way, Im getting at least one copy.
I just hope they make more than they did of those 'mines and booby traps'... I gotta have one of these.
I stupidly sold my original game, along with all my epic games, on ebay years ago.
To buy the equivalent models in SH separately costs more than twice the cost of the set itself, and you would end up with lower quality models, judging from the pictures. You could absolutely build a Tyranid Genestealer army this way with two sets, sell off the Terminators, pick up some extra Tyranid models to round out your army and still come out saving a LOT of money. This is exactly what people did with AoBR. In fact, if you were to buy a single copy each of AoBR and SH, you could sell off the Orks and Tyranid models and have a powerful SM army with a Captain, Terminator Librarian, 15 Terminators, Dreadnought and 20 Tactical Marines for a little more than the cost of a Battalion. How many other GW products can offer you that?
Yeah... Completely. Pointless. Who in their right mind would want to do that?
Would love some for my Deathwing, but they'd become unplayable in Space Hulk once regularly based :(
Hm, you could insert magnets into the feet of the models and put them on magnetized 40 mm bases when using them for 40k. A bit of a hassle, but then again I'd say these look nicer than the regular terminators - so it might be worth the work.
Do we know that they're the same scale as the rest of 40k? I ask because they are on separate bases, and with that much detail, you gotta expect they're bigger.
It's how they win. Get your money now, ship you the item later- that way they're earning interest on your money now instead of later, which equates to more bank.
Smart move, GW.
huh.
A friend of mine predicted yesterday that there would be crashes on their site when Space Hulk became available today. I'm sure GW is getting a big surge in traffic now that people in all time zones of the US are waking up and checking it out. Don't be surprised if it goes down again later, especially after more people get home from work and other day activities and discover that Space Hulk is on the site and begin another ordering frenzy.
Besides both previous versions of the game came with Terminators and Genestealers on regular 40k bases. Terminators just had smaller bases back then.
And I don't really get my undergarments in a bind over marketing ploys. My main thing was seeing the contents, so even a hint in the form of one of the mini's would have been nice, but it was what it was. I'm excited over the sculpts, they are very nice dynamic poses. However, slightly disappointed to see the cardboard tiles re-hashed. What concerns me more, and maybe it shouldnt it there was a quick line during the intro about the rules being the same. I would have liked, and I still hope for, a bit of a refresh in the rules, but the game played well before, so maybe it's not necessary.
My other minor beef, if it rises to that level, is it looks like the tiles are the same, meaning the new Terminator bases are going to be bigger than the board spaces.
Can anyone confirm or deny these items?
From the pictures, it appears as though the tiles will be the same (40mm terminator bases would be too large). However, the models aren't based on regular gaming bases anyway, so it's rather a nonissue. I plan on magnetizing the bases so I can use them in both 40k and Space Hulk.
Pros - The mini sculpts are awesome. Presentations is nice.
Cons - No sculpted plastic tiles or even doors. 99$ price tag.
Well I pre-ordered it. I guess I'm just a sucker. I used to play Space Hulk in college but never owned my own copy, so nostalgia is playing into it for me. Also I like the minis enough to buy it just for that. After all a box of five plastic Termies costs 50 buck for some reason (unless you get the AOBR ones) and these are awesome sculpts. But I have to say, with all the investment that GW has put into their plastics production I really did expect to see plastic paintable tiles and/or doors. Especially at that price.
A little inconvenient, but I can work with it.
I've started being a modelist palying SPACE CRUSADE (in italy STARQUEST) and i'm a Blood Angels Player.
i'm crying, this is really really a blessing and takes me back to my childhood. sniff
That's it, which means it comes sans scything talons. Maybe they'll be optional in the new codex?
Regardless, a good sculpt, but not as terrifying as the metal one, by any means.
At first, seeing the game reminded me a little too much of the previous edition, but seeing the variety of weapons the Terminators have seems like an improvement.
Bit on the expensive side though...
so i'll drop my two cents on everything..
Space Hulk is a good release for GW and the fans (we have been begging for years)
Limmited Release, is for GW's benifit. sales now gives big proffit for quarter reports going into hollidays.
Game Quality, i was hopping for more but am still more happy then dissapointed.
The Publicity stunt, I am disapointed "not race specific" BULL should have been "no matter what army you have, you can play games with this release, every one may want one or two", "something we have never done before" that was a bad move to let that leak around "everything you have been told is a lie" t-shirts even worse, I'll be looking up making t-shirts "Big Lies from Plastic Guys" with a big GW on it.
i'm starting to wonder if they are going to release Space Wolf codex. Maybee ill just buy a warmachine army instead..... bad form dudes i call shannanagins.
Is it a good Purchase? All i can say is what i did ,,,, yes I did preorder one.
summing up...thanks for the game GW ... your hype sucks .... I'm gonna ignore you now like the town Gossip-monger
Liar Liar Pants on Fire!
Liar Liar Pants on Fire!
Liar Liar Pants on Fire!
Liar Liar Pants on Fire!
Liar Liar Pants on Fire!
The only lying that GW did was the tongue-in-cheek business in Chicago after everyone and their Grandpappy knew that the mystery box was Space Hulk.
Besides the fact that GW can not be attributed to the rumor statements this is NOT race specific. That would mean that it would only be of interest to a player base that collected a particular race. This includes multiple races and is appealing to a wide group of players that do not collect BA or nids. This is a stand alone boardgame.
If you place a laptop computer beside a game of Space Hulk, you can have an electronic timer. There is a nice computer program on BoardGameGeek for Space Hulk.
BoardGameGeek - Space Hulk - Files
Space Hulk Stopwatch by Thibault Bloch V2
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/2163
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/filepage/42038
Could you run the program on an iPhone, BlackBerry or other smartphone?
I'll post this again for people not looking further down at earlier posts:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogP...
"This is a one-off, limited edition product, with a single print run. If you have any interest in owning your own Space Hulk, I strongly suggest you advance order a copy today. Do not wait, because when they're gone, they're gone (although one of the Studio team did hint at a doing 50th anniversary edition in 2039). And DO NOT put this on your wish list, forget about it and expect to get one..."
i think i'll just implant a magnet into each marine's foot so i can transplant them easily to some 40mm bases. with spaceship style bases, that shouldn't be too hard. :D
so your saying they have to sell 50k copies of spacehulk ^^
and its "limited" (5k copies per country) ... mmmh ok LOL
know i see why biss. is hard for them xD
Lets take a look at the recession (which is starting to abate anyway)...
you want to buy an army so you get the codex, £15 ... you pick up a battleforce, £50...you need an HQ £12... ah dangit you need the main 40k rulebook as you are a new player, £40 (assuming you havent gone the AOBR route).
Thats £117 sterling for a very basic army, not including dice, templates, paints, brushes, glues and so on...
Or £58.70 for an entirely self contained game.
GW have actually been very recession-savvy here, if I was looking to play something "from the 40k universe" and was a new player, I know what I would buy...or more importantly if I was 12 again, what I would ask mummy to buy.
This will make GW's late quarter figures look awesome and give them a stable platform for a full production release if its popular, reworks of the old expansions or perhaps entirely new ones...or maybe even revisit space crusade in all its awesomeness!
I applaud them :)
After a bit of colour -replace in photoshop, they actually look pretty good painted up as various other chapters, Ultrasmurfs, Black Templars etc.
Also, being an Australian, the price for 5 termies here is $69, so 10 termies is $140, plus add on about $35 for each of the SM HQ choices, and we have $210 for the SM portion alone, not to mention all of the 'Nid stuff. With the entire box selling for $169 here, with free postage, it is quite a bargain, and I think these extra detailed models would make for great additions to regular squads, adding some additional dynamics that can be otherwise lacking...
I really don't see anything there that's worth a hundred bucks. I can sorta understand the old-timers with shiny memories buying this. Sorta. But really I think GW is playing them.
And to the guy who cut-and-pasted the 'one time only printing, limited edition' statement from GW- do you WORK for GW? How many 40k websites did you leave that little gem on today?
Jeez, GW has lemmings lining up to hand them money for a product that's not even released yet!! I usually like to have a little more than a picture or a fond memory to base my decision making on when it comes to dropping a hundred beans.
At least I got a laugh outta this.
And no I won't be buying it. Board games don't interest me. I'm sure I'll get to try it at the club or whatever. But this is a big 'meh' for me.
100 bucks for a board game?!? Crazy......
Throwing money at GW based on a picture and a paragraph of text? I dunno...
Let's see:
Glass of wine = $10
Entree = $20
x2 = $60 for 2/3 of the price I can eat dinner with my wife.
Of course, some of us, like Space Hulk & $100 doesn't really matter.
who knew GW releasing a classic board game could cause so many BOLS readers to jump on each others throats about business sense and tooling costs.
i too feel a little dissapointed in this release, it looks great, and i'd love to play this game as i've never had the chance (closest i got to it was on an old Amiga, i think. It was on like 12 floppy disks!) and it looks like i won't get to due to the limited run.
but i dont think there's any need to take it out on each other.
Seriously, it definitely was not worth the all the hype...
No one said you HAVE to buy Space Hulk, you're acting like its a prerequisite to play 40K at all, which it clearly isnt
Sorry to feed the trolls, but something existing shouldnt piss you off that much, they didnt ruin your game or anything, they made a product you are perfectly capable of ignoring
Why? What's to feel bad about? They're happy. Either because they're going to enjoy playing the game, or selling it for mad profit on Ebay to others who will enjoy playing it for even MORE of a premium. There's nothing to feel bad about here.
Mike X (and apparently a slew of others) is utterly uninterested... so noted. Move along to something that *does* interest you. Otherwise, "methinks thou dost protest too much." -shrug-
Just because an item isn't of interest to someone is no reason for them to insult everyone else who likes it. GW releases a lot of items in a year. Not every item will interest every customer. That's no reason to insult the people who do want that item. It's irrational and ego-centric if not slightly psychotic to think that the company exists just to please you personally. It's like listening to the radio and thinking the host of the show is speaking to you personally. People can be amazing and ridiculous.
Space Hulk gives you 12!!! (Personally I think that's a deal and prefer plastic these days).
GW charges you $30 for 8 Gene Stealers.
Space Hulk gives you 22.
That's just 2 shy of $90 worth of Gene Stealers....
Yes, Spacehulk is expensive if compared to a typical board game, but when compared to 40K as a whole? For the equivalent 40K figures you'd be paying ~$190!!!!
As to the limited run... well I've been burned in the past thinking, "limited, yeah sure... I'll pick that up in a bit" and then when the time comes -- it's GONE.
While I personally hate the limited crap that GW pulls, I can see from a marketing perspective it'll help guarantee that this print run will move and not sit on the shelf gathering dust. So for that I can see why they're doing it as (as someone else mentioned it gives them a cash flow for the holidays).
So I don't know about you guys but I'm a Spacehulk fiend -- my copy was pre-ordered this morning.
It seems like an interesting business decision to release the game only as a limited one-shot print. I think what will happen though is that _GW_ will only make one print. Then they'll toss it over to FFG. The contents of the box look exactly like the stuff FFG sells.
I'll be interested on seeing the rules and the missions. At a glance the contents of the box look like a combined 1st ed + deathwing, but the terminators suggest otherwise. With all the variant terminators you cannot field the two squads of the first edition missions, with a sergeant, flamer and three storm bolters. Looks like squads will at least be changed. I'm happy that the additional weapons from deathwing made it to this release though. As for the promo shot with all the box contents on it, notice how the map setup is essentially the map of the classic ´Cleanse´ mission with the rest of the stuff connected to it? To me, ´Cleanse´ is THE Space hulk mission with a good objective and a close to 50/50 scenario balance.
Even if the rules do not satisfy, I ordered the new set to be able to mix and match the bits with my existing space hulk stuff. Maybe use the new board with the old rules. I wonder about the model size though. Standing next to the dice, the models seem small (if the dice are of the standard GW size). Maybe they are 25mm?
The tiles were VERY DISAPPOINTING, but that was not unexpected
Inflation calculator says:
"What cost $50 in 1989 would cost $85.76 in 2008. "
Big deal, you pay about $14 extra dollars and get better sculpts, better cardstock, and more stuff in the box.
Obviously the publication of Space Hulk doesn't disrupt the regular codex/army publications schedule in any major way. In 2009 we got IG, Planetstrike and we'll get Space Wolves, which is on par with well, most years since the first codex was published in IIRC 1993 or 1994.
I wouldn't really expect them to start publishing 5 or 6 codices/armies per year even without a vanity project like this.
(But then again, as a long-time SH fan, I'm happy with the way things are.)
Hell, where were the "bad sculpt" cries when something like AoBR o BfM sort of miniatures beat as hard as this in the scene.
I have seen alot of mention of dissapointment with the lack of plastic 3D corridors etc ..so i thought i would point you in this direction :
http://www.oldcrowmodels.co.uk/aiproducts.htm
Of course, the prices are steep, being resin.. i think even GW producing something plastic could undercut them, but it probably wouldn't be too far off what forgeworld might charge.
I don't find Blood Angels especially compelling, but their iconography is similar to a lot of Blood Raven stylings, so it's not a problem for me.
Announcement made Monday, nearest GW store closed Mon-Tue, GW website failing to load or "down for maintenance" messages.
The game looks like it will be a best seller and would seem to be a sign of good things to come but I can't help feeling that if someone else was using that much of GW's IP they would be hung out to dry.....
Loving the detail on the Terminators, who will be added to my force, particularly seeing I was a couple of weeks away from strating my first Termie squad for Planetstrike - perfectly timed. Quite like the new vampirish look, not too much or over-done, and the artificer style armour is what I hope will be a prelude to our upgrade sprue/box/revamped style as and when we see a revision. Loving it, and of course Space Hulk is just a very cool game to boot.
This could be the game that can re-boost gw spreading and gaming. Now that also things like confrontation have disappeared, they're alone in the fantasy-futuristic miniture gaming (exept for pre-painted easy to play like wizard's d&d and Starwars).
leaving it to a limited number will piss many gamers off.
More on, the termies have stupid bases only to say " hah so you can't use them on 40k unless you ruin your limited edition box".
this is not fair. And they won't have back their money for the stamps ( if it's limited edition, how many could they have printed out???)
the only alternative is they'll use back the stamps to produce some minis for the 40k (not bad idea, those BA look great. I still don't like the fangs, IMHO they're turning them in space vampires. Blood Angels, not Blood Drinkers...)
1st GW is a business with stock holders. If this prints them $$$ they are bound to make more. (public companies are required to hold share holders interests...)
2nd one could not "ruin your limited edition box" with some very simple mods.
Ultimately, as others have said, this is a stand alone board game - not a 40k expansion kit. For the sake of an afternoon's bit of work, those Termies will be on standard bases ready to paint up in my 3rd Company colours as soon as I get my box. I'm a Blood Angel player so hey, why wouldn't I do that, but I will still use them to play Space Hulk as the game is just simplistically brilliant.
Also like the little CAT model. A roaming objective on tracks. aparently it used to be a counter in the old days
If it was true, those people would have left the hobby a long time ago and wouldn't check bulletin boards and blogs about it, so how can there still be complainers still? Unless they're lying about their ability to afford GW's price and should therefore STFU, of course...
What was GW thinking? How does this do anything but push eBay sales? It hurts them, it hurts FLGS!
I continued my rant here...
http://www.3sdgames.com/iumaddog/?p=114