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Re: 40K PLAY AID: Badab Teaser - The Astral Claws

kogwar — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 01:40:08 -0000

I see that the corsair unit has a pistol boltgun frag krak and a close combat weapon but the sargent has the ability to trade his boltgun or pistol for a chain sword whitch is close combat weapon. Is that a typo or what i just wanted to bring it to your attention and i can't wait till the badad wars come out.

Re: 40K PLAY AID: Badab Teaser - The Astral Claws

Aventine — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 00:28:08 -0000

Quickening is a SM psychic power which can be found under the Librarian entry.

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Bren — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 01:52:23 -0000

Luftgitarre!

Re: 40K PLAY AID: Badab Teaser - The Astral Claws

BrotherWill — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 06:13:17 -0000

And since he hasn't been updated to 5e rules means he currently doesn't exist in game. He does in fluff, but not in game. Otherwise, I could simply pull out a Rogue Trader rule (1e) character that was never updated and use him. So what if he has WS10, BS10, S10, T6, I10, A9, W8 for a Space Marine right? I mean, just because he doesn't have 5e rules we have to go with his old rules right? Sorry bud, it doesn't work that way and I in no way said anything about tournies. I'm talking current edition. Besides, his rules aren't even 4e, they are 3e. Good luck convincing someone to let you use him. As it stands, NO Traitor Marine has ATSKNF. They update rules to a new addition for a reason.

Re: 40K PLAY AID: Badab Teaser - The Astral Claws

Miami — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 23:01:58 -0000

Cypher. And just because he isn't "tournament legal" doesn't mean he never existed. He is the only example GW has published for the game (ie, with stats and rules) of a non-chaos renegade marine. And he has ATSKNF.

As a side note, I commonly play against a player who chooses to use Cypher. His rules work a little better in 5th Edition than they did in 4th if you view victory points and kill points as being one in the same.

Re: 40K PLAY AID: Badab Teaser - The Astral Claws

BrotherWill — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:33:02 -0000

And what character are you referring to? As far as I know, there is no official fallen character in 5e and further there are no renegades with ATSKNF, thats reserved for loyalists.

Re: 40K PLAY AID: Badab Teaser - The Astral Claws

BoLedOver — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:14:37 -0000

But, if we go on ATSKNF as faith in the Emperor, how does one explain the Fallen, who, in the only character written for them, retains ATSKNF, and further the CSM with him retain it as well?

I'd say that, during the Badab War, the Astral Claws fall under the same heading. They haven't gone renegade enough to lose their faith, but they're definitely not on the same side as the others.

Re: 40K PLAY AID: Badab Teaser - The Astral Claws

KINGS — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:10:41 -0000

I dont :P j/k

aventine's is how I always picutred them in my mind.

~kings

Re: 40K PLAY AID: Badab Teaser - The Astral Claws

KINGS — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:41:53 -0000

The hybrid would be that they could include SM vehicles and then some chaos troops. This would require much more playtesting and a long list of units alowed from each codex.

This way they follow the same template as all the other chapters involved. 1special character with chapter tactics and one special unit type.

~kings

Re: 40K PLAY AID: Badab Teaser - The Astral Claws

Name — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 10:10:33 -0000

Huh...I guess I always just assumed it was the Hamadrya that turned him to chaos. It looks like a chaos beast and apparently gives him some kind of powers.

Re: 40K PLAY AID: Badab Teaser - The Astral Claws

daniello_s — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:27:00 -0000

edit to last post...

i've just noticed iron halo in the profile... guys, i'm telling you... working night shifts are bad for your senses:D

Re: 40K PLAY AID: Badab Teaser - The Astral Claws

daniello_s — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:20:14 -0000

Hmm, looking at Huron's profile...

Wonder what this The Quickening special ability means...
And Ladies & Gentleman, where the hell is Iron Halo? Guy has T4, Sv3+ with no Inv at all - that means he sucks in CC cause single power fist will take him out of the game. Sadly I'm not impressed...

Re: 40K PLAY AID: Badab Teaser - The Astral Claws

Aventine — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 06:06:26 -0000

They are just interpretations and modernizations of what is a pretty sad, tired old colour scheme. Though I do like mine better than this one... :)

Re: 40K PLAY AID: Badab Teaser - The Astral Claws

Aventine — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 06:01:39 -0000

You're really going to go crazy when you see the full book, there are at least three different versions of their colour scheme. bigred's seen here, the artists seen previously, plus a Marine I painted for the colour plate section. All different, hah...

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dvastator — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 05:39:53 -0000

I can't wait to see what they do with the Lamenters. If only I could paint better, they would be my Chapter of choice!

LOL Just noticed the Martini glass!

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khanaris — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 01:14:28 -0000

But in that case, the change would have had to have started earlier. I don't think they just woke up one morning and decided the Emperor wasn't for them...

As I see it, the moment they chose to betray their oaths would be the moment the rules used to represent them would change. The effect their changing priorities would have on their training and mindset would have had to have begun far earlier.

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Sergeant_Uriel_Ventris — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:40:50 -0000

I thought the the Astral Claws, as represented by this list, had just fallen away form the Imperium. It would take a little while for their training and mindset to change.

Frankly, I don't care, I don't live in Texas and I can't play with the BoLSers.

Re: 40K PLAY AID: Badab Teaser - The Astral Claws

Name — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:40:34 -0000

The corsair are just marines that can take a few extra special weapons, and Huron isn't particularly impressive.

The layout looks spiffy and all, but I'm not too wowed by the content.

Also, I'd be nice if the martini glass wasn't in the background.

Re: 40K PLAY AID: Badab Teaser - The Astral Claws

BrotherWill — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:13:37 -0000

Specifically written? I can't say for certain, but IMHO, its certainly been suggested. I can remember back in the day when they provided more fluff material when it either alluded to or simply stated they were fearless due to their unwavering faith in th Emperor. Currently, the C:SM only gives game rules and no fluff under ATSKNF. I haven't dug out any old material to check it, but there may be something there. Secondly, if you read C:CSM on page 6, it seems to allude to this as well, where as it mentions specifically becoming independent and how when a SM falls from grace, he falls further than would a normal man, etc, etc. What do you think? This is what I've always felt was the biggest distinguishing mark between a SM and a renegade. The faith in the Emperor and the heroism it drives loyalists to.

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Crevab — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:56:12 -0000

Has this been written or even suggested in any GW material? Or is this just your reasoning about the rules differences between loyalist and chaos?

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BeastOfShadow — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:19:09 -0000

It was a rethorical question about how because they changed their name (mark of going renagade in this case) they all of a sudden lose the training and conditioning they've recieved. I think that's what it was anyway :)

Re: 40K PLAY AID: Badab Teaser - The Astral Claws

khanaris — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:51:36 -0000

But Chaos Space Marines are no less trained than loyalists, and they aren't all back-stabbing amongst themselves. They have effectively had a lot more training in most cases, since they tend to be older.

ATSKNF is not just some feel-good idea of martial courage. It is tied to the role Space Marines place within the culture of the Imperium. If they reject the Emperor and fight only for the chapter, they will lose that place. And in that case the rules represent them better with high leadership and/or stubborn. Following the Emperor does give loyalist marines a strength that renegades lack. The Astral Claws shouldn't have it unless you were representing them pre-fall.

Re: 40K PLAY AID: Badab Teaser - The Astral Claws

Spud — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:45:10 -0000

Whoops. Meant replace a bolt pistol for a chain sword, not a CCW for a chain sword.

Re: 40K PLAY AID: Badab Teaser - The Astral Claws

Sergeant_Uriel_Ventris — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:35:17 -0000

No, I'm not. Faith in the Emperor is one thing. Faith in your training, your battle brothers, and yourself is something else all together. Becoming separated from the Emperor does not negate any of the things I mentioned.

Re: 40K PLAY AID: Badab Teaser - The Astral Claws

Spud — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:27:52 -0000

Why is there an option to change a close combat weapon for a chain sword in the corsair squad for the sergeant? Unless you're meaning for him to have 2 close combat weapons? But he's already got a pistol.

If ya ask me, pistol+CCW is superior to CCW+CCW. Besides that, a model that is WYSIWYG would be acceptable to have a holstered pistol & 2 CCW without making any difference rules wise from just a pistol & CCW.

Just an odd choice if ya ask me.