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Re: 40K RUMORS: Imperial Guard Fast & Heavy Info

Hyperion — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:10:41 -0000

I'd say wait and see, but where's the fun in that? I'm with Folkert on this one... After all, the guard have form in this department what with troop choices being entire platoons. If this isn't the case, is anyone really going to tie up that many points to shoot at one target per turn?

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Kaptain Krung — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:25:11 -0000

Yes, shame on GW for trying to sell us plastic toy soldiers.....dude they're a business thats what they do! sell stuff! If it gets too expensive for your liking, stop buying it! I for one very often stuggle to buy it but i love my hobby, so wait a bit longer till i can get hold of the stuff as i'm sure a lot of others do to.

Guard have always been a cheapo horde army, ergo you gotta buy lots before its of any use but thats the players choice, don't like it? get SM!

I love IG look, rules and background always have taken years to get a massive force and now i can cram more stuff on the table cos they cheaper! that acctually makes me smile! My wallet may not agree but hey whatcha gonna do?

Not trying to piss on your parade directly dude, just it gets to me when people sit and moan at GW prices and how they stealing food from their mouth and clothes off their backs. Think of it this way, at least its not as if it's pricey but they're making Sh!tter models? They're at least craking out mighty fine minatures, such as the Valk, Blade super heavies, stompas and so on.

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TSINI — Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:45:38 -0000

yeah im so stoked i went for an executioner, the mainstreaming of the tank into the codex and its gun inexplicably upgraded to 3 blasts!

along with the plasma sporting sentinals this codex is going to breath new life into my lucky 88th!

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TSINI — Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:31:34 -0000

cool

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Joe — Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:14:49 -0000

Indeed, if someone was playing a mechanized army, they would probably use more than one Chimera.

And who said anything about Carapace?

Now, let's see how well sarcasm travels the tubes:
Alright, you got me. I was actually aiming to make a Space Marine Scout army, but gullible ol' me got conned into buying Kasrkin boxes and I never noticed the difference. They're just so similar, exactly like Fire Warriors and Battle Sisters.

Re: 40K RUMORS: Imperial Guard Fast & Heavy Info

TSINI — Sun, 22 Mar 2009 05:34:46 -0000

to be a mechanised grenadier army you might need more than 1 transport, unless its an imperialis capitolis, or a leviathon.

and if you're the only one fielding this army in your area. congratulations.
but may i ask why you chose a grenadier army? what models did you use and how much converting did you do to make them look like they have carapace armour etc...

Re: 40K RUMORS: Imperial Guard Fast & Heavy Info

Joe — Sun, 22 Mar 2009 05:19:58 -0000

You really seemed to have jumped on that quote. Congratulations, Mechanized Grenadier armies are common to one person posting.

And to quote you,
"which to me implies that those players have all jumped on the lesser common forces of the imperium, because they can only see the guardsmen as a low armour save which needs upgrading, a low BS skill that needs upgrading.

so rather than buy an army that already has these upgraded characteristics, theyve tried to boost the guard to as close to marines as they can get.

i'm not saying people can't do what they want, the fluff is the spice of the game, im saying that it sounds like the guard players in The Naked Kasrkin's area don't have the balls to play a normal guard army, probably because they can't understand how to play an army with low stats. (i'd also guess they havent converted up the basic troopers to remotely look like they have full carapace etc)"

Seriously, how in the world did you draw these conclusions from that?

I'm just a little pissy because my grenadiers now cost 4x a guardsman with their only improvements being slightly expanded special rules and a situationally-adequate gun.

And by the way, in my area I'm the only one that uses grenadiers, much less stormtroopers, and I only pack one Chimera.

/frustration

Re: 40K RUMORS: Imperial Guard Fast & Heavy Info

Jim the Viking — Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:02:18 -0000

Actually, the basic Sentinel is now 35 points with a Multilaser or 40 points with an Autocannon - a pretty good discount, really.

Also, keep in mind that the Stormtroopers now have AP3 guns and a series of special deployment options.

Re: 40K RUMORS: Imperial Guard Fast & Heavy Info

hotads92 — Sat, 21 Mar 2009 11:45:00 -0000

i dont see rough riders =(

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Docrailgun — Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:45:29 -0000

I suspect that we will find that the Vendetta is an up-armored and -weaponed version of the transport, and will not have a transport capacity in the same way that the Predator is based on the Rhino.

Wait.... sorry. I was supposed to gnash my teeth and curse GW, right?

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Admiral Halsey — Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:23:24 -0000

They couldn't inflitrate anyway?
At least, if I recall the book correctly, the troops choice stormies lost inflitrate and deepstrike.

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SinSynn — Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:58:28 -0000

Once again, I am sorry for all my troll-like posts. Wow, I just shouldn't post while I am drinking.

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Sathos — Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:35:43 -0000

Dude, at least you are man enough to make the apology, many arent :)

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Sathos — Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:34:22 -0000

well SinSynn thankyou very much for this part tacked on lol I was gearing myself up for a very overbearing and probably not very friendly response.

You nailed it on the head, we dont care for tourneys and we play for fun ^^

We have the points to lay down the huge games but with the time we have to devote to it we prefer say two little game to one big one and we are also waiting for "mr high roller" a.k.a mr 6s (lol) to get his new house and HUGE gaming table ^^

Re: 40K RUMORS: Imperial Guard Fast & Heavy Info

Admiral Halsey — Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:06:12 -0000

What would I do with the Codex when I'm ranting about GW's marketing stratagies and pricing?

Unless all the confirmed rumors are wrong, and guard are roughly the same price as before, tanks don't squadren, Valkaries are cheap in price, and expensive in points, and GW have no in fact made a fail battleforce or released half as many men for only £3 cheaper, my rant is perfectly valid.

I'm sure Guard will be lovely and competative now. I just object to designing a rules set only around how many models you can make 14 year olds by.

Re: 40K RUMORS: Imperial Guard Fast & Heavy Info

Admiral Halsey — Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:03:27 -0000

Congratulations. You are now the offical troll of Bell of Lost Souls, and the ultimate example of why some people are directly opposed to letting everyone have free speech.

Re: 40K RUMORS: Imperial Guard Fast & Heavy Info

TSINI — Fri, 20 Mar 2009 07:17:08 -0000

it's a recurring dream, and its beautiful!

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TSINI — Fri, 20 Mar 2009 07:15:30 -0000

lol i think this is the 5th apology i've read from you today, have you had a near death experience?

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TSINI — Fri, 20 Mar 2009 07:04:50 -0000

again, taking the original conversation out of context.

the original comment was

"No way in hell anyone wants to spend 160 points on a stormtroop squad... ugh if that's true GW has officialy killed mechanized grenadier armies which are coincedentally the only guard armies played in my area"

and the general response was "why is everyone in your area playing that particular army, out of all the thousands of variations of guard they could have come up with, all fluff filled awesomeness. they chose the most similar to space marines."

i have no problem at all with mechanised grenadier armies, theyre overly expensive ruleswise, but they look awesome (which incindentally is the only thing that i ever choose my armies on)

my concern was, if all the guard players are choosing that 1 particular configuration, there's obviously a lack of knowledge in how to field a normal guard army (trying to emulate space marines) or a lack of imagination because they couldn't field a standard mechanised army, or a grenadier drop army, or a light infantry force etc etc

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TheGreatBeyond — Fri, 20 Mar 2009 06:37:42 -0000

They may be alive, but they're not "well"... at least not as well as some people might like. No Infiltrate, no Hellguns, no targeters, and defensive grenades in place of frag and krak.

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Sla-Ha-Nesh — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:04:54 -0000

Grenadier armies are alive and well if Vets have carapace and can take Chimeras.

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TSINI — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:01:06 -0000

i love you guys

yeah the forgeworld guys keep 40k interesting for me too

once i signed up for the forgeworld newsletter (email) i realised there was no need to ever buy white dwarf, or even keep up to date with what GW were doing

even when i went to Gamesdays, i found theForgeworld seminars and forgeworld store were my main concern lol

its mad but its the fluff that keeps me interested. not the gaming rules or anything else

Re: 40K RUMORS: Imperial Guard Fast & Heavy Info

SinSynn — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:51:56 -0000

Wow, you know, I am such a moron, that sounded just asinine.

Sorry everyone.

Re: 40K RUMORS: Imperial Guard Fast & Heavy Info

TSINI — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:40:54 -0000

don't get me wrong, it's definately not boring to field a grenadier army, or a mechanised army, or even a grenadier mechanised army.

but if everyone is doing it in your area... why not grow a pair and play a different tune?

to quote the original conversation
"ugh if that's true GW has officialy killed mechanized grenadier armies which are coincedentally the only guard armies played in my area"

My point was to raise the question "why is this the only guard army in your area?"

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Vix — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:21:01 -0000

Well, thank you for that and I have to say I agree. After all, not all Imperial guard regiments are raised from the same mold right?

Means they don't play the same, I sure know mine don't and that's half the charm. Elysium drop troops, Tanith, Vostroyans, Savlar, Catachan, etc. Consequently that's also why I'm really looking forward to the pretty new Valkyries.

Something wrong with the way a lot of people seem to think Guard 'should' be played? Absolutely not, then again we all find something boring mine seems to be what a lot of people call the Cadian 8th. ~simpers and pouts about useless vostroyans and wool knit 'armor'~