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Mathhammer Freak — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:22:08 -0000

Too many things wrong to count, first if the bass touches the model it will inflict full dammage automaticly, so as long as you dont suck at dice rolling, the 3" template will hit something that has that big a base. Also how often have we seen boltguns shooting at the back of any competant players tank with out sed tank allready being useless. Also a boltgun can atmost have th same chance at killing a tank in s aquadron as it does at woulding a fex. Rub the few braincells you have together and do some math, it might help in the future.

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Dragonstriker — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:13:13 -0000

Mathhammer does not use "average rolls", clown. It uses the statistical concept of expected return. Over an *infinite* number of games, the expected result for any one set of rolls would be x, for a different set of rolls y. Mathhammer indicates if the expected return on x is greater or less than y. If a chump tries to say that there's any guarantee for a given set of rolls, then really they're saying they know nothing about nothing. ;-)

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Myu — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:35:44 -0000

"People start thinking they are subervient to the Inquisition"

How so? I just assumed they put them in the same book, since they might not sell well enough separately (not a lot of unit options compared to other codices if you just do one force or the other). Space marines can be called on by inquisitors whether they like it or not, but I think of marines as being independent despite this.

Maybe what sisters need is their equivalent of variant lists (even if in fluff only). By that I mean, black templars, or white scars or salamanders etc. Some more back ground to help define the various orders and allow people to really define their own would be good I reckon. Now I don't intend to play sisters (got to many other armies for that :P), but I can't help but I don't see anything in their book that allows people to focus on certain units, or that any orders favor one unit above another.

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UltramarineFan — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:04:12 -0000

The day a girl my age talks to me about warhammer, I will drop to my knees and praise the heavens. Either that or I'll wait for the world to suddenly collapse inwards.

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UltramarineFan — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:02:11 -0000

It doesn't matter how cheap they are, the point is that they haven't been able to hold their own in the last codex and from the sound of it, the emphasis is mainly going towards making the big guys even better.

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tdogp — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:55:05 -0000

Hormagaunts are beasts and pay more for it. 10 pts in current codex. The standard gaunt is infantry which is what I was talking about, is about 5-6 points now without any bells or whistles. I do believe the cost should go down, but this is a bit extreme

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mcdoogle — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:55:00 -0000

Except that GW is making all of the horde units, like gaunts and gargoyles, drastically cheaper in points and more readily available in convenient plastic packaging. Sounds to me like they are emphasizing the hordes, not going away from it. They are simply providing them with strong supporting units.

Almost perfectly aligned with the fluff, if you ask me. Just sounds like you are the type who will never give GW the benefit of the doubt. You know, those folks who will complain about a rule, then GW changes it, then you complain that it changed.

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No_Gaming_In_Mississippi — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:24:59 -0000

I love nerd fan-boys who like to talk tough.

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eldargal — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:33:11 -0000

I'm not sure what it is with fantasy to be honest, I'm just not enjoying it anymore. I don't like the way my Dark Elves and Empire play now, a lot of armies I used to enjoy fighting just don't seem to be able to keep up.
Sisters are great, but they shouldn't be lumped in with Inquisition in my opinion. People start thinking they are subervient to the Inquisition and the army list just doesn't seem as fleshed out as it ought to be.

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Myu — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:06:22 -0000

No offense intended to anyone, but I think eldargal has a good point.

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Myu — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:05:14 -0000

What's the problem with SoB and WFB? I'm curious because I haven't played much WFB and I don't know it well and for Sisters, I'm not sure why being put in with IQ is bade, I've seen a guy use pure SoB and they seemed to do pretty well.

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Myu — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:00:16 -0000

What about using lascannons, at lots of them? Heck, even ordinance, if they're in groups.

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Starion — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:23:06 -0000

Actually, I see overcosted stuff every time I go to the store - the price of the models. But having started playing in a time when you could get 30 plastic marines for 10GBP, or 8 metal termies in a box for 13GBP that's only to be expected.
As for those two powers in specific? JotWW is too new to REALLY gauge if it's broken. Spam 4 Rune Priests in an army, mebbe it is. But then you could say the same about Assault Cannons (How many can marines have now? 12 twin-linked + 14 normal?). Have played some games with Njall in my list. Granted last game he pulled a draw from a loss. But not once did I use JotWW - other powers were better in the situations. Played him vs Necrons as well. Took me 3 turns to snipe the Lord with that power. Even if I had used it against other units, Njall wouldn't have "made his points back" in any case.
As for Lash, if it's THAT broken, why does no-one at my store run Lash-lists? Some of the top tourney players from the country are club members at the store, and they don't even run CSM!
I personally don't run tourney lists. Majority of the time, I'll be putting together a list 5 mins before a battle, just throwing in what I feel like playing at the time (Speeders? Nahh...played em last week...).
If you really feel that they are broken because you constantly get your ass kicked by lists with those abilities, then learn a lesson and start putting anti-psyk in your army. But as your name suggests you don't actually PLAY, you probably just sit and winge along with all the nay-sayers just so you feel like you're part of something.

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No2Wookie — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:50:46 -0000

That's all the nid 5th edition codex needs. Less options.

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No2Wookie — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:48:55 -0000

Won't lose combat easy unless going up against things like nobz, assault terminators, daemonettes, bloodletters, nurgle stuff at high tally, chaos/ork choppy walkers,...

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No2Wookie — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:42:18 -0000

Is there any reason no one is considering how hard it is to actually attack a leman russ from behind with something that wasn't designed to insta-gib it anyway? I'd say there's a better actual chance of dropping a fex with a series of 10 bolt pistol shots from a squad of 10 assault marines, dropping a second one with the swings, then dropping the third with combat resolution than there is of getting behind a ranged battle tank squadron with a light combat unit, shooting it, hitting it, having the hit glance and make it through cover, then scoring an immobilize roll.

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eldargal — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:00:50 -0000

Well, fair enough. I have to say I'm not so concerned, sales up are and they have reduced debt by 90%. There has also been an overall increase in the amount of stores worldwide.

I know I probably appear to be a GW fangirl, but someone has to play devils advocate. A don't agree with a lot of things they do, but I understand why they think they need to and why some may be in the companies best interest. Others are just insane (like lumping SoBs in with Inquisition, grr). I've also quit WFB because I can't stand the direction it has gone recently.

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VonKoeder — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:44:26 -0000

See fanboy post a few days back.

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VonKoeder — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:43:33 -0000

Agreed.

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VonKoeder — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:43:11 -0000

Seep - like a popped pimple.

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No_Gaming_In_Mississippi — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:21:04 -0000

I'm not talking about tyranids, I'm talking about GW in general. Believe me I don't want GW to go under but I think they may if they don't turn it around.

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No_Gaming_In_Mississippi — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:08:25 -0000

Nerd creep, codex creep...same thing no matter what u call it.

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No_Gaming_In_Mississippi — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:07:49 -0000

yes they are broken. But I doubt you'd see it that way. I doubt you'd see anything broken, overcost/undercost, or anything wrong that GW does for that matter.

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eldargal — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:02:23 -0000

And releasing a new tyranid codex is going to alienate people how? For gods sake, if GW don't release something they get bashed, if they do they still get bashed.

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eldargal — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:00:43 -0000

You said GW lacked common sense for releasing a product people want to buy. Either you didn't think it through or you are failing those claimed economic courses.
I'm less pro-GW and more anti-whining moron. You want to complain about neglected armies, fine. I'm still waiting for a DE codex. You want to complain about stupid decisions like the combined Witchunter codex, fine. Want to complain about rules loopholes and poor customer relations, go right ahead. But you can't sit there and say releasing a new codex for one of the most popular xeno armies is a bad business move and act surprised when you get treated like an idiot.