I'm building my Space Wolves army now. That way, when the new Codex comes out, I'll have a roughly playable force with only a few additions to make.
mrjuice
· 4 months ago
what if the army is completely different than what you thought it would be......
Darkseer
· 4 months ago
I have always felt that the Space Wolves should be a feirce drop pod army with everybody fighting on foot.
So as far as I'm concerned, for creating a rich background army, I shan't have any models which do not fight on foot -the way Russ taught the Space Wolves to fight!
If it emerges that the best Space Wolves armies for tournaments cruise around in Land Raider Redeemers and ride lots of giant wolves, well darn it, I suppose I'll have to buy those too!
somewhatdamaged
· 4 months ago
its been rumored that the wolves will either have to entirely use drop pods for the army or none at all, so you might want to think about that as well...
Vampire Harlequin
· 4 months ago
Seems ironic that The Wolves' Primarch's name has been lent to the ubiquitous Imperial Guard battle-tank. He can't have been too fiercly opposed to a bit of tank-age when the time was right! I think I'd find it a lot easier to be fierce and aggressive if I had a huge battle-cannon and several tons of thick armour between me and the enemy...
4thCompanyCommanderCorvus
· 4 months ago
I think it was due to him saving the crew of a crusade ships (I think his) and all the Imperial Army troopers on board. So when they found the STC print out for the Leman Russ/ They had an unamed tank type that had been newly invented, they called it the Leman Russ in honour of well Leman Russ the Primarch :)
LordSandwich
· 4 months ago
Also, wasn't he originally an IG commander along with Guilliman? As in, not Primarchs, just an average Joe with a large cape?
Spun
· 4 months ago
Ahh no. Primarchs were created as Primarchs, not turned into them like a space marine.
Sorry.
Silber
· 4 months ago
Well, yes. In Rogue Trader times, that is.
Bulwark
· 4 months ago
I believe 1st edition (maybe 2nd?) had them as normal humans. The whole Primarch thing came later.
BeastOfShadow
· 4 months ago
Must have been first. I have the second ed SW book in front of me and it mentions the Primarch being super human, swept away ect...
kauyon_la
· 4 months ago
I have always loved the army play style, fluff, and mythos but never really felt like the codex met up with that. Now that the newer codex and army books are being re-worked with the fluff in mind I really think that they will be pretty awesome and not just because they are the "new codex" army. The whole idea with the Sagas really helps to put it all together for me seeing as the Wolves are all about telling the story of their lives and learning form the past.
anon
· 4 months ago
you must have not seen the new chaos dex.
kauyon_la
· 4 months ago
?? I have, I play them....
The Chaos codex has some nice fluff basis when you look at if from the fact that it was intended to represent Renegade Marine armies as a whole and thus why it has a more generalist feel. But I do agree with what I believe you are trying say is that the codex doesn't do a great job of it. The Codex was very rushed but then that's the Orks fault seeing as their release windows were supposed to be swapped but because of problems with some of the new Ork sprues the Chaos codex was pushed forward 4 months.
Wolfy_Molder
· 4 months ago
i have mixed feelings about the new dex, i wish it were comming earlier or later, conflict is in november here which means i will only have a month to work out a dead killy army list, also i don't know how much they are going to change the play style of the army and how long it will take me to adjust
Sathos
· 4 months ago
simple anwer is not to expect to play fenrisians at conflict ;)
Wolfy_Molder
· 4 months ago
unfortunately they are my only army, i do have access to a small eldar army but it needs another wave serpent or two, never played eldar before so i don't know how they will go for me, something tells me the adjustment from my rampaging horde of drunk marines to space elves will not be an easy one, ah well i have a few months to work out what i am doing
Sathos
· 4 months ago
ouch no fun... my main is orks although I have (roughly) 3000 point armies of custom space marines and night lords but I dont have the new 'dexes for either... so I have decided to start painting my tyranids lol...they need more adding to them but i'll start with what I have ^^
The Hobo Hunter
· 4 months ago
I'm liking this whole 'saga' spin to SW characters. I wonder if they can extend to army composition rather than simply pumping up the character in question; sounds like a good alternative to the rampant CharacterHammer I've been loathing so far. I'd much prefer a subway-sandwitch-style approach of building up a modular character than 'take named character X to receive Y benefit(s)'.
Spun
· 4 months ago
Try Warhammer Fantasy!
Myu
· 4 months ago
Mm.. the first thing I thought of when I saw "sagas" was the vampire counts book. Still, I think it sounds like a perfect idea for space wolves, and he may not necessarily want to play fantasy
4thCompanyCommanderCorvus
· 4 months ago
Yehh me too, but that section in the Vampire Counts book is really cool, and useful for creating hardcore vampires :)
kaptinscuzgob
· 4 months ago
What an odd way to specify: "Move, Assault, Fire"
...Space Wolves can shoot their ranged weapons at whoever they're in close combat with instead of using their normal attacks?
Sathos
· 4 months ago
yeeesss....surely it should be move, fire, assault...
lolcatz
· 4 months ago
Or maybe they have the assault phase before the shooting phase? That sounds like a pretty big disadvantage and might be something to balance out all the other goodies.
Xas
· 4 months ago
I'm really trilled about this release because space wolfes might just be that marine army that I can convince myself to start. combineing melee and storming is what is my play style and for campaigns I'm in real need for a "loyalist" army with my others beeing nids and csm.
Roa
· 4 months ago
Why does this army sound simply like "Space Marines Plus"
So basically, it's Space Marines, but with even more special abilities and wargear?
Also, I'm going to cry if Wolf Lords end up being even more beastly than Khornate Chaos Lords.
manton
· 4 months ago
They sound like space marines plus because that's what wolves are. If you've ever read any space wolf fluff they're always just like space marines but stronger, tougher, have sharper senses and most of all are a whole lot hairier! I'm really looking forward to this one. Wolves were the first army i really loved and so they'll always have a place on my shelf. If ragnar's model is any good, I'm totally smashing out ragnar's company this time. For Russ and for the Wolftime!
Roa
· 4 months ago
Sorry, but it still sounds like an over-inflated fanboy 'dex. Any chapter or Legion could be made into this. You could do Iron Warriors with heavy weapons galore and Bunkers with minefields instead of Rhino's or Night Lords with Fantasy equivalent Terror rules, etc.
it just seems like "lets take the super rare elite combat forces, and make a super rare elite amongst them even though they should be roughly the same!" type of thing.
manton
· 4 months ago
As an iron warriors player, your suggestion for them sounds uber cool and i will dream that that one day shall come to pass.
Sathos
· 4 months ago
Indeed..you get SM, dark angels, blood angels, space wolves, black templars all written up in their own codexes or minidexes so where are codex/minidexes for Emperor's children, Thousand Sons, Iron Warriors and World Eaters?
Surely if they feel the loalist chapters are different enough to warrant special treatment then the chaos end should get the same...
4thCompanyCommanderCorvus
· 4 months ago
Defently agreed as a Iron Warrior Lover and an off Player, I mean I started beacuse of the cool armour then I saw the old codex and realised I could possibly (legaly) have 4 Defilers and 9 Obliterators, then that all changed :(
shadow puppet
· 4 months ago
you forgot Death Guard....
Sathos
· 4 months ago
AHA! nicely done :)
me
· 4 months ago
because they wouldn't make as much money off of those codex's.
Myu
· 4 months ago
"Sorry, but it still sounds like an over-inflated fanboy 'dex. Any chapter or Legion could be made into this"
Pfff, let those space wolf players have their fun. You got a codex in 4th ed, they didn't.
manton
· 4 months ago
P.S. do wolf priests take a sage or a saga?
Dan
· 4 months ago
"They will be able to take one sage and apparently cost about 130pts." Sadly the Tarragon and Oxo upgrades are unavailable in this Codex, but with the added sage, them roasted greenskins will taste a little nicer.
Name
· 4 months ago
Give your opponents a good stuffing.
Ej
· 4 months ago
Ha! Read the old 'dex, Wolf Lords ARE more beastly than Khornate Chaos Lords. Well, minus the ridiculously awesome daemon weapon.
Titan
· 4 months ago
Logan Grimnar did take his axe from a fallen chaos chapion...
Denzark
· 4 months ago
Wow a whole 14 comments and no one has bitched about it being a new marine codex - come on you dark eldar and necron palyers get with the programme and start whining, it makes me laugh.
Vindur
· 4 months ago
I wasnt going to but just for you Denzark *puts tongue in cheek* Damn marines getting all the GW love ive been playing with the same codex for over 10 years now and all they do is re release space marines *removes tongue from cheek*
Denzark
· 4 months ago
Cheers Vindur - at least someone appreciates the subtle art of irony...
Kettu
· 4 months ago
Well, I figured that the sooner it's out of the way the sooner they get to the other four 3rd ed codices that are cluttering up 5th editions perfection.
So bring on the Wolves and then bring on the Sisters, Necrons, DEldar and GKnights circa next millenium.
Sathos
· 4 months ago
yup and although they should be near the end of the list, Tau havent been updated yet... soo much could be "stopgap" fixed with some strong errata style work from one person on the design team (and I dont mean just for tau, necrons need fixes more than a whole new dex)
mathhammer
· 4 months ago
all they need to do to fix my sisters and GK is fix dedicated transports and storm shields.
necron and dark eldar need redone, the dark eldar codex for example makes me think of the 80s again.... ahh those were the days....
Engelus
· 4 months ago
yeah, in terms of all that is left, wolves are the easiest, al they need is a sprue or two, and a redo of some metal special characters.
Dark eldar, and sisters/knights need an entirely new line of modelsand as for necrons, I don't know if they are plastic or not.
dark eldar are logicly next, and they need an entire new model range, recuts would simply not do. and as such, wolves are the next easiest and quickest army to do.
me
· 4 months ago
its because space wolves deserve and need a new codex, the other marines didn't
ysambart
· 4 months ago
The rumours often include what's cool about a 'dex, but you need to read it to find the disadvantages.
BeastOfShadow
· 4 months ago
This I agree with. I have a funny feeling that there downside will be similar to one of an all GN army. Too many points, not enough bodies.
Sathos
· 4 months ago
I'm guessing you mean GK... Grey Knights, no I'm not digging at spelling I just cant think of a GN army so feel free to correct me if you didnt mean GK :)
BeastOfShadow
· 4 months ago
Granite ninjas? ye you're right my bad :)
Sathos
· 4 months ago
Aaaaaw man the granite ninjas? why did GW ever discontinue those...no, wait I'm thinking of squats... MY bad lol
Shin_Ra
· 4 months ago
i imagine that a draw back if the codex is getting fluffy would be much like the Red-thirst for the Blood Angles; the mark of the wulfen.
BeastOfShadow
· 4 months ago
Mark of the wulfen is an option in the current dex so I say they'll probably keep it alright. Probably with a rule change.
grimgorn
· 4 months ago
i'm really intrigued by the "13th Co. are not officially dead" remark. since i have a 13th Co. army i am very excited to to use the models again. have to wait and see but i am excited.
Grim
Dooley
· 4 months ago
I kinda liked the old SM book (the previous ed not the OLD codex) It let you make a certain specific chapter "feel" army but it threw some punishments in there for doing so!
I am also getting tired of the SM + theme! IMO there needs to be a balance. You can have all the cool special chapter specific stuff but you should loose out on some of the other things. Loose certain squad choices or limit the amount or something to make it unique and different and not just the upgraded package.
I have noticed the lack of variety in any other army as well. Chaos Marines are only one type ( no specific chapters, Night Lords, death guard etc) and the guard are now all the same as well. (sure they have catachan models but they play the same as any other list you will get out of the dex)
It would be nice if they went back to Chapter approves or more "official" mini dexs. But thats just me!
crazyredpraetorian
· 4 months ago
Contrary to many whiners' opinions SW have always been balanced. There are enough disadvantages to the SWs to offset the advantages. I'm sure the new codex will be the same.
As far as guard goes, you're way off base. I have played guard since 3rd Ed. and the guard have never been as much fun to play. I play against other guard armies once or twice a week and I have yet to play against the same list twice. There is plenty of variety.
Tony The Lurker
· 4 months ago
Deathwatch here i come (as in I am using the puppies as a basis for my Deathwatch army, lead my a SW though)
t2d
· 3 months ago
i've a 4500pt wolf army and can't wait to see wot they're gonna do. does anyone know wot the crack is with grimnar hear he was gonna be apocalypse only? any truth in this? i'm like a kid in a sweet shop waiting or is that a wolf in a chicken coup!?
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So as far as I'm concerned, for creating a rich background army, I shan't have any models which do not fight on foot -the way Russ taught the Space Wolves to fight!
If it emerges that the best Space Wolves armies for tournaments cruise around in Land Raider Redeemers and ride lots of giant wolves, well darn it, I suppose I'll have to buy those too!
Sorry.
The Chaos codex has some nice fluff basis when you look at if from the fact that it was intended to represent Renegade Marine armies as a whole and thus why it has a more generalist feel. But I do agree with what I believe you are trying say is that the codex doesn't do a great job of it. The Codex was very rushed but then that's the Orks fault seeing as their release windows were supposed to be swapped but because of problems with some of the new Ork sprues the Chaos codex was pushed forward 4 months.
...Space Wolves can shoot their ranged weapons at whoever they're in close combat with instead of using their normal attacks?
So basically, it's Space Marines, but with even more special abilities and wargear?
Also, I'm going to cry if Wolf Lords end up being even more beastly than Khornate Chaos Lords.
I'm really looking forward to this one. Wolves were the first army i really loved and so they'll always have a place on my shelf. If ragnar's model is any good, I'm totally smashing out ragnar's company this time.
For Russ and for the Wolftime!
it just seems like "lets take the super rare elite combat forces, and make a super rare elite amongst them even though they should be roughly the same!" type of thing.
Surely if they feel the loalist chapters are different enough to warrant special treatment then the chaos end should get the same...
Pfff, let those space wolf players have their fun. You got a codex in 4th ed, they didn't.
Sadly the Tarragon and Oxo upgrades are unavailable in this Codex, but with the added sage, them roasted greenskins will taste a little nicer.
*puts tongue in cheek*
Damn marines getting all the GW love ive been playing with the same codex for over 10 years now and all they do is re release space marines
*removes tongue from cheek*
So bring on the Wolves and then bring on the Sisters, Necrons, DEldar and GKnights circa next millenium.
necron and dark eldar need redone, the dark eldar codex for example makes me think of the 80s again.... ahh those were the days....
Dark eldar, and sisters/knights need an entirely new line of modelsand as for necrons, I don't know if they are plastic or not.
dark eldar are logicly next, and they need an entire new model range, recuts would simply not do. and as such, wolves are the next easiest and quickest army to do.
why did GW ever discontinue those...no, wait I'm thinking of squats... MY bad lol
Grim
I am also getting tired of the SM + theme! IMO there needs to be a balance. You can have all the cool special chapter specific stuff but you should loose out on some of the other things. Loose certain squad choices or limit the amount or something to make it unique and different and not just the upgraded package.
I have noticed the lack of variety in any other army as well. Chaos Marines are only one type ( no specific chapters, Night Lords, death guard etc) and the guard are now all the same as well. (sure they have catachan models but they play the same as any other list you will get out of the dex)
It would be nice if they went back to Chapter approves or more "official" mini dexs. But thats just me!
As far as guard goes, you're way off base. I have played guard since 3rd Ed. and the guard have never been as much fun to play. I play against other guard armies once or twice a week and I have yet to play against the same list twice. There is plenty of variety.