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Lord El-Akim — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 12:00:35 -0000

I bitch there for I am....

Pointing out a fault does not by any means diminish another fault.
DE and DH are old codices and should be updated, but DA is still a total failure and the things people are upset about are the strange inconsistency in point cost versus stats and equipment compared to similar codices.

In addition, that the few things that was a unique thing to DA is now done better by other codices.

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beast187 — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 02:06:04 -0000

Guys seriously come on! DA players get over it, when the space marine dex came out all you guys did was bitch, now we have to hear it again! Look the i understand the DA are the emo of the galaxy and bitching is what you do best but really again? Anyway yes your dex does blow but come on look at the Dark Eldar players, or the daemonhunter players, Ive yet to see one DH player bitch about the new marine based dexs. Im sure when its the space emos turn to get redone they'll get some good stuff just give it time. All the new dexs coming out have been a little over powered it's just the new trend coming out of GW. So please stop complaining and enjoy the game, if your not having fun you should'nt be playing.

P.S. If you think im saying this as a SW player I'm not I'm an 'Nid player.

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reaperofdoom — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 16:57:26 -0000

i want to see the wolves soon, the rumors are looking pretty cool and i just want them out already

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reaperofdoom — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 16:57:24 -0000

i want to see the wolves soon, the rumors are looking pretty cool and i just want them out already

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Darren — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 15:08:02 -0000

Yeah, Space Marines aren't the hardest, but the absolute zealousness and bio-mods they all have, mixed in with impossibly thick, super durable armour, is what make them that tough. As for bringing the Chaos Marines up to that standard, sure, why not. I wouldn't say that they were overall better at everything, but that they'd be somewhere similar stat wise, along with having specialisations.

As for S20 Bloodthirsters, well... Bring it on!

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angelblade — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:24:31 -0000

im 19 actualy and sorry for the punctuation in dyselxic

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Herald of Nurgle — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:44:08 -0000

I have to agree with my irate friend above me (being inquisitor)

I love my CSM army... but at the same time, i'm beginning to loath myself for playing it. Let's face it, I only have 1 'viable' list, with one set of 'viable' units, and the book itself hasn't got any character at all!

Infact, that's probably why I try to build my lists as if they're 'Pre-Heresy'. Makes me feel better, and feel less like a cheese monkey when I play it...

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Big J — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:30:25 -0000

Brilliant.

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Blackmane — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:27:38 -0000

So far i like what the rumours are saying. After reading all the comments however, some people seem to be overreacting to these rumours as if they are absolute fact. Now i can see why DA players will be upset if the whole teminator army turns out to be true, and i think rightly so, but it is just a rumour. CSM players seem to think that they have only a choice of one viable list but really they just don't want to find other lists because they have been told that that is the only viable one.
Also iafter reading the comments i feel sad that there are so many people who play this game and i'm sure who love it as much as i do but yet whenever a new codex comes out all hell breaks loose with people saying that its going to be 'cheesey' or 'broken' ect. But after a couple of months everything settles down because it simply isn't. It just seems to me that the only reason it gets like this is because there's a new codex coming out and it isn't an updated one for their chosen army. Well deal with it. The only other people i feel can complain are Inquisition players and Dark Eldar players who both need an update.

Thats all i have to say about this.

Blackmane

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Miami — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:13:21 -0000

I disagree. They don't overpower other armies, they are just new and there is an adjustment period where you have to learn their weaknesses. Look at codex SM now; there was an incredible uproar when it was released, saying it was the most overpowered book ever written. Is it destroying the tournament scene? No. IG is starting to come down off of it's high as well. Orks and Chaos are still consistantly winners, and they are starting to show their age.

I like what Omach is saying. Fluffwise, I think the best way to represent SW would be with improved WS. They don't need the equipment of a CSM to be unique, it's all in the fluff. I'd love to see Space Wolves be an army that isn't as great as other marines at shooting, but puts the enemy in a difficult position when it comes to assault. Do I charge these SWs, or do I let them charge me? It would be interesting if either way you knew it was going to be a tough fight.

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Miami — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:05:52 -0000

But they added it in, which makes it hard on GW to try to go back on it.

Say I'm writing a story about a boy and his dog. They get along great. Then the dog for some reason attacks the boy, and he becomes scared of dogs. It would take a lot of writing skill for me to convince my readers that out of no where, the boy loves dogs again.

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Miami — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:01:41 -0000

If you check out the rumors at warseer there is tell of a unit called a "Lone Wolf" that is a single-model unit and deploys similar to that of a Lictor. I believe this is the new incarnation of the 13th company.

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Miami — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 16:59:11 -0000

A thunderhawk stealing sergeant does sound like one who would be called the trickster. I dig it.

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Miami — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 16:51:54 -0000

Weapon Skill is the characteristic that represents the ability to accurately hit and avoid attacks. The excuse for giving Cassius a T6 is that he has been wounded often and has a good amount of cybernetics in his body. In previous incarnations, he had bionics, but since that is no longer represented in 40K, they decided to think of something else. How a 6+ save translates to 2 points of toughness is beyond me, however. Why not give him feel no pain?

And I am not a SM hater, I have a Space Marine army of my own. I love playing with and against SMs. However, there are a couple things GW has done that I feel is inconsistant with fluff when it wasn't necessary or it didn't make sense, and this is one of those occasions (don't even get me started on how force weapons don't work against daemons!).

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Miami — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 16:47:11 -0000

Okay, let's take your suggestion that all marines, to be accurately represented, should have multiple wound profiles with stats that would make a guardsman pee his pants. So there's codex SM, going by your fluff.

Then logically, we have to represent CSM the same, so give them the same stats. Oh, and any that are the ancient traitors from the heresy, well, they've been living for thousands of years and so at the very least should have a much greater WS and BS. Then there's the ones who have ascended to Daemonhood, so their stats are even beyond a regular SM! And even greater than the daemon princes are the greater daemons themselves, so by this time we'd probably be seeing S and T scores of around 20.

Space Marines aren't the strongest and toughest warriors in the galaxy. There's much worse out there. Their strength lies in their supreme tactics (hard to fully translate in a game), undying faith (also hard, unless you want to play Sisters), and the support of the IG and the rest of the human universe. So if you want Space Marines to have ridiculous stats, then you have to be prepared for a lot of other things to follow suit.

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Miami — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 16:37:20 -0000

That was actually just an adjustment of his previous incarnation. In the 3rd Edition codex Straken had a power fist with the special rule that it struck at initiative. So to simplify it they just gave him S6.

So if there had been a precedent such as that on Cassius that worked similar to having a toughness 6, I'd understand. I believe before he had bionics, but there's no way that translates to somehow getting 2 more points of toughness.

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Venter_of_Russ — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:49:49 -0000

You're thinking of Canis Wolfborn. Cassius is the Ultramarines chaplain with all the cybernetics.

Personally, I was more floored that col. iron hand Straken hits like a MC.

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Kravin — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:35:10 -0000

Man, this is exciting...only a little while longer until we get to see the revival of SW!!

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Lord Boofhead — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:28:00 -0000

Wonk wonk wonk, you sound like Charlie Browns Mother.!

You boy are a fool! Been playing DAs since you were 12? So you're 13 then?

I can't belive I have to tell yet another morron this, The RAven Wing are not the White Scars, Or the Space Wolves, or the Black Templars or the Blood Angels. They are a Scout and a Hit & Run Force If you are smashing headlong into the foe with the Master of the Ravenwing of course he gets slaughtered, as does the rest of his army. You harrass the the enemy with your guns then retreat and redeploy and then once they start to chase you and get spread out and seperated, youhit 'em hard and fast where they are weakest, and then get the hell out anmd rinse and repeat!

But hey what would I know just been playing the Ravenwing on and off for 15 years, since 2nd ed...

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TheNorseman — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 14:03:47 -0000

Space Wolves were the bomb back in 2nd ed where I think they were the only army that could legally field an all terminator army. I am glad that they are going back to their roots.

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Samuel David Larson III — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 13:20:39 -0000

Then uh... change your list. Do something different. *gasp* THINK FOR YOURSELF! Holy **** now THERE'S a thought!

I play WoC in fantasy. Most of my opponents are DoC or VC. Play that and tell me 40k isn't fair.

As for your complaining, seriously, shut up. The chaos book is good, and so far, you've only stated that "I don't like how the vindi looks". So make your own? Stop complaining and DO SOMETHING about it. Play stuff that no one else plays.

Try this list:

2 chaos lords, both with deamon weapons on bikes
3x10 possessed
2x10 marines w/ 2 melta guns
3x8 chaos bikes

Go. Have fun.

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mordiano — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 12:02:42 -0000

20 terminators = 1 killpoint

FTW!!!!

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WolfLold — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:32:55 -0000

Bring it Eldar wus ;)

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Illiteratescrub — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:08:12 -0000

quit getting mad at tabletop games

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Ebsolom — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 05:12:07 -0000

I'll still slap the puppies around the board with my Eldar :P