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Re: 40K SNEAK PEEK: Planetstrike Inbound

Imperialsavant — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 21:40:16 -0000

Iam really looking forward to Planet Strike as I find the 4 basic Scenarios in 5th too restrictive. I have enjoyed Cities of Death & Apocalypse & from the Previews P/Strike looks to add another fun diamention to 40K.
Regards Barry H.

Re: 40K SNEAK PEEK: Planetstrike Inbound

Maria — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 06:21:05 -0000

I have the Planestsrike book, but I can't seem to make the 'contact you' link work, puts me though to AOL and I don't use AOL.

Re: 40K SNEAK PEEK: Planetstrike Inbound

rockdeity — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:56:40 -0000

I probably wouldn't play that way either unless we both did. My point is that the marines dont' arrive via deep strike - the pod does. The marines then disembark in the movement phase.

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UltramarineFan — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:49:24 -0000

It's open topped the moment it lands and the marines come out so you could say that it's open topped the moment it's on the table.

Re: 40K SNEAK PEEK: Planetstrike Inbound

UltramarineFan — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:47:11 -0000

Look, the difference is in the wording of the rules. For the mystics it says that they can shoot at a unit coming in by deep strike. The tactical squad is coming in by deep strike, so they can be shot at.
The wording for the Planetstrike rule is that the unit needs the deep strike rule as well as coming in by deep strike. The tactical squad does not have the deep strike rule and thus cannot assault.
Just to let you know that even if I'm wrong and the marines can assault I won't be assaulting my marines. I mean it's a tactical squad, why would I assault them? In most cases they do better if they shoot.
Also if they can assault then that would allow dreads to assault on the turn they come down which could be very nasty.

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cookiecuttermarine — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:01:15 -0000

Really, why would I ask the question I realize that this is not supposed to be out til next month. I was asking because I thought this was weird. Played it today and it ran smooth.

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Lerra — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 19:18:28 -0000

A drop pod is only considered open-topped after it lands, opens up and marines pile out. At the beginning of the turn, the drop pod is not open topped.

Re: 40K SNEAK PEEK: Planetstrike Inbound

Bob the Unseen — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 14:55:41 -0000

Deris and I were talking to a black shirt that had just got back from one of the big meetings they get pulled into that gives them a preview of what is coming down the pike.

He was telling us about that as well as a white dwarf update for Eldar say mid December. Also Necrons will supposedly be GW's first all plastic army.

But he was really excited about all the changes/"improvements" that GW was making to the DE fluff. Fleshing out their story and history.

Re: 40K SNEAK PEEK: Planetstrike Inbound

rockdeity — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 14:28:09 -0000

Great, I'll make myself clear too. The unit that is deep striking by your own admission is the drop pod... it's the one with the rule. Same would be true of a deep striking transport of any type. The unit that is deepstriking is the transport. If the unit had deep struck and not disembarked, would you say you can shoot at the units? What if they disembarked in the movement phase from a transport that wasn't forced to disembark, as the pod is... would you be able to shoot them then? No, I dont' think so... that happens in the movement phase. Same is true of the pod. The fact that it is forced is a special rule, but it doesn't change the fact that it happens in the movement phase. Mystics fire at the pod.

I'm fine with them not being able to assault from the drop pod, personally. But, if anyone saying they are not the ones deep striking, the pod is, should then not claim to be able to shoot the passengers of that deep striking transport. It's hypocritical.

Re: 40K SNEAK PEEK: Planetstrike Inbound

UltramarineFan — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 13:42:20 -0000

OK I'm going to make this clear. A mystic allows you to shoot at a unit coming into play by Deep Strike. The marines are coming in by deep strike and so they can be shot at.
The planetstrike rule says that if the unit has the deep strike rule then it can assault, however, though the marines are coming in by deep strike they don't have the rule, only their transport does.

Re: 40K SNEAK PEEK: Planetstrike Inbound

thethunderboltguy — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 10:31:39 -0000

can i just point out that DE have never worshipped the chaos gods, but instead they drain the souls of the dark eldar until they are sucked dry.

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Azzy — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 10:22:02 -0000

No, this is a supplement like Cities of Death. What you want is the upcoming Planetary Empires (40K's version of Mighty Empires) which comes with tiles and a small booklet with basic campaign rules.

Re: 40K SNEAK PEEK: Planetstrike Inbound

rockdeity — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 10:20:08 -0000

think those are gonna be sold separately" soon", as there was an add for them with pic (excerpt from French WD,I believe) posted here on bols not long ago.

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rockdeity — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 10:15:41 -0000

not to mention GK in power armor if taken as fast attack.

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rockdeity — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 10:13:38 -0000

Right. Seems like people who really know the rule and are arguing against it are knowingly being overly literal just to find a RAW edge. I think it's pretty obvious daemons deep strike, but for those who think it's not fair they assault (certainly an understandable reaction), they are going to use the means at their disposal.

Currently, that amounts to a pretty big vagueness in the wording. If it really is "has the deep strike rule", with no clarification, then it is ambigious, indeed.

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rockdeity — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 09:14:53 -0000

Why does that matter? It should apply for both or neither, not just one. Why would you apply the deep strike rule in one case but not the other. You are just assigning value where you find it most convenient.

To illustrate, I'll do the opposite. Instead I read it as, that marines can assault because they are deep striking, but cannot be shot at by mystics because they don't have the deep strike rule. That makes as much sense as the other way around.

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Khar — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 08:41:45 -0000

what im looking froward to is an apocalyptic, planet strike battle in a city of death!

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Forhekset — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 08:30:51 -0000

But the simple fact is they DON'T have deep strike :P They have Daemonic Assault, it's not the same thing!

Seems pretty clear to me what's what.

Re: 40K SNEAK PEEK: Planetstrike Inbound

UltramarineFan — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 06:40:45 -0000

LoL

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UltramarineFan — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 06:02:47 -0000

A drop pod is open topped.

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UltramarineFan — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 06:02:06 -0000

The mystics can shoot at the marines because they are coming in by deep strike however they cannot assault because they don't have the deep strike RULE.

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LEGION3000 — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 02:55:27 -0000

Love this. Sounds exactly like something my grand army of the deciever would totally use. And it sounds like it is right out of the Eisenhorn novels.

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LEGION3000 — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 02:52:12 -0000

that is because some armies don't ever really defend. Dark Eldar, Eldar, Tyranids don't really have anything to defend, they are purely attack armies. I suppose you could say Orks defend if they are attacked but pretty much even defending they are attacking. Tau, according to fluff, are supposed to never defend even though their gameplay would say differently. And even space marines, by their doctrine, don't regularly defend. Its always based on attack.

Note I am talking about planetary defence not single strategic point defense.

Re: 40K SNEAK PEEK: Planetstrike Inbound

LEGION3000 — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 02:42:47 -0000

why does it have to be balanced? Its not a tournament its just for fun. It should be up to the players to keep it balanced or throw it totally one sided.

Re: 40K SNEAK PEEK: Planetstrike Inbound

LEGION3000 — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 02:40:25 -0000

Apocalypse, Planetstrike in a City of Death. So many special rules you will wish you were dead.