DISQUS

Bell of Lost Souls: 40K VOTING: IG Command Squad Challenge

  • Konstantin Kucher · 4 months ago
    I must admit that Hauptmann Herman Musk has the right above all the rest to have personal Valkyria transport. Congratulations Simon Brown and let the Emperor guide your career )
  • Fulminata · 5 months ago
    I've been considering getting the Pig Iron heads for my own IG, but now I'm starting to think that if I really want my force to stand out that I'd be better off sticking with the regular Cadian heads! :-P
  • zenjah · 5 months ago
    Voting won't be easy, they are all excellent.
  • Anonymous · 5 months ago
    The Pig Iron gas mask heads were a popular choice for sprucing up a lot of these squads, I see.
  • burn666 · 5 months ago
    Man, those pig iron heads are getting ridiculously popular...
  • Kriegfreak · 5 months ago
    So what? They look good and are cheap. You almost make it seem like they were supposed to be some hidden secret to keep people from getting butt-hurt over there lil army not being quite as unique.
  • Zealot · 4 months ago
    or maybe he just thinks its interesting that they are getting rediculously popular. (which they are - I thought the same thing when I saw the entries)

    for random bits from a random company..
  • Skragger · 4 months ago
    Its similar to the Iron Gobs for the Orks, just a really awesome looking bit so why not use it to death?
  • fade_74 · 5 months ago
    Wow! Lots of nice models! Good job all around!
  • UltramarineFan · 5 months ago
    Lots of really good painting there. Took me a while to decide who I would vote for.
  • Ridicule · 5 months ago
    I think there seems to be to much emphasis on convertions and weird choices of bits from other kids/games. I sure hope the best painter wins this time and not like the last competition >.<
  • UltramarineFan · 5 months ago
    I assume you mean that you hope that the person who you think is the best painter wins.
  • Ridicule · 5 months ago
    In one sense, yes. But mostly I hope people vote primarily based on painting, not convertions. Ofc, small good convertions should always be concidered.
    Last time however, it seems the two of the most converted razorbacks got the most votes and the ones that was painted a lot better got neglected.
  • UltramarineFan · 5 months ago
    It still requires effort to convert something as well as imagination and creativity and, again, you seem to be basing you're comment on what you think is the best painted because other people might have a different opinion. Below you've said that you've voted for Simon Brown whereas I think that Will Downey's painting is much better. It's all a matter of perspective.
  • Ridicule · 4 months ago
    Yes, but we don't vote on efforts do we? It's the result that counts. And I hate to see good painters loose because somebody else had a go at the green stuff. I agree that it's all a matter of perspective.

    However I'm quite curious as to how you motivate Will's painting to be better than Simons? (Will, if you read this, don't take it personal, it's a hobby competition so I get picky.) Will's bases are simly sand without any details. Clothes, belts, flak armour...all in the same colour with a black wash over it. No convertions, just some headswaps. I don't get it?
    Simon's squad has fine even layers of paint, good use of white (which often is a b*tch), nice details like the squad markings on the shoulder pads, decent bases. The banner also shows he's steady on the hand. There's not a doubt in my mind that Simon's the best entry in a hobby competition...
  • UltramarineFan · 4 months ago
    Will's done more than simply give it a wash of black, either that or he has the best wash in the world. I pretty much just give my guard a wash of black and the result isn't that good. if you look carefully you can see that its got a gradient from black to that off yellow colour that you don't get from a simple wash of black. Also looking at that red I was very impressed as to how he managed to get that very rich red, again with shading and higlighting. Lokking at Simon's models however I didn't see how they could compare(no offence to Simon). the colours seemed a bit plain and somehow not particularly drawing to me. The white doesn't look like it was done with much difficulty as it's in a few areas with barely any shading and from my experience it's shading white which is the hard part.
    If you're view is that the convertions don't really matter(though in my opinion they do as they add to the character of the model which is important in a painting competition) then I don't see how you can rank the bases as also being important. Personally I admit he could have done a better job but keeping it as sand makes sense seeing as they've got an off yellow colour to their fatigues; however the quality of the painting overrides the quality of the base and in my opinion Will's painting is better.
  • Ridicule · 4 months ago
    I find this immensly interesting. As my own IG-army is heavily based around washing. He seems to have filled the wash out with water which is good but still managed to leave a big blob on his commissar's coat. I don't find the red impressive at all, even though I can see some improvement on the banner compared to their uniforms and gear. But as should be considering the size of the banner. I agree that the areas of white are small but the intensity of the white is an excellent contrast to the rest of the uniforms.
    I don't think bases or convertions are the most important part, I realise I might have given the impression that I don't care at all about convertions which is not the truth, I just don't want entries to win just because they converted stuff. I think bases and convertions are secondary to painting and agree that quality of painting overrides the quality of bases. Though they boost general impressions.
  • UltramarineFan · 4 months ago
    I don't see how you can so readily dismiss the red that he's painted as he's clearly painted it with care and attention, look at the meltagun. The 'big blob on the commissars coat' as you say looks to me to be intentional and works as it provides some contrast in shading. Look basically neither of us is willing to back down and say that the other one is better as we both clearly have individual opinions and aren't likely to agree. Basically this is going to lead to nothing whatsoever other than us having decided that the other is wrong in their choice.
  • Ridicule · 4 months ago
    If he put that wash-blob there intentionally, then that's even worse :S

    Well, I can't disagree that we disagree and you're probably right. We won't change our minds. Thanks for keeping it civil though!
  • Ridicule · 5 months ago
    Votes from viewers seem to focus on the right stuff. Simon Brown has my vote! Credit to Luther Blisset for good use of colours and fair layers of paint.
  • little brother · 5 months ago
    I thought this was all about what could be built, based around the kit. Rather than a straight painting comp.
  • Andrew · 5 months ago
    I thought it was about the best looking models period. It's called the command squad challenge..not the GW only command squad painting challenge. It's about skill, not just painting skill.
  • Ridicule · 5 months ago
    Actually I think the first article where this challenge was announced was called "Painting challenge".
  • Mananarepublic · 5 months ago
    Simon Brown's group is the best one (from a painting stand point), the muted gray looks very good (and very imperial army to me).
  • Norseman · 5 months ago
    I personally think Simon's attention to detail such as painted facial hair takes the trophy.
  • tawnos · 5 months ago
    all nice, but work of Konstantin Kucher. The commander looks like Adolf Hitler and a tablo behind him looks exacly as tablos by which nazis had informed people that certain civilians will be executed. I don't think it's a good idea to make a nazist your commander.
  • Hwilam · 5 months ago
    It's the exact same haircut (and moustache) as J Jonah Jameson!
  • Skragger · 4 months ago
    Its also the same mustache as Charlie Chaplin! GODS NO! NOT SILENT COMEDY ACTORS! <flees in terror>
  • H · 5 months ago
    You know, I did find it striking that that man in the command squad had a bionic sword arm like Hitler.
  • Ridicule · 5 months ago
    Uhm, having such small references to nazis is hardly more of a bad idea than GW's constant reference to all dictatorships and military regimes. The Imperium are practicly nazis, it's a fachist "state" with a very strong sense of "nationalism" and the xenos, mutants and heretics are the common threat!

    Have you not been reading the fluff? :\
  • Kriegfreak · 5 months ago
    Time to take a break from the game.
  • Ian · 5 months ago
    I;m going to go ahead and point out that while Hitler and the Nazis are an example of fascism gone horribly, horribly wrong, fascism as a governmental system isn't any worse than monarchy or any other less stigmatised dictatorial system; in fact, it did Italy a lot of good in the 30s.

    So yeah, GW references fascism, but they don't reference Hitler, and neither should anybody else. Come on.
  • borzenkov · 4 months ago
    So You like fascism and do not like Hitler? You must think Hitler was responsible for the decline of the fascist idea I guess. And now you are sorry.
    So are you a brave fascist actually? Much more than Hitler was?
  • Ian · 4 months ago
    That's an awful lot of presumption! I didn't say I liked fascism or that I was a fascist. I actually have a lot of problems with the fascist system, just as I have a lot of problems with any dictatorial system; namely, that they often govern without the consent of the governed.

    Just because I point out that something isn't necessarily bad doesn't instantly make me its biggest fan.
  • SinSynn · 4 months ago
    those that forget the past are doomed to repeat it
  • borzenkov · 4 months ago
    your words sound like:
    well I am not a fascist, I just like the Idea

    ?!
  • Ian · 5 months ago
    However, Hitler had a combover, not a buzz cut. For what it's worth.
  • Grantavius · 4 months ago
    Before his ascension, the Emperor was Hitler.

    And Pol Pot, Elizabeth Bathory, Josef Stalin, Idi Amin, Tomas de Torquemada, Caligula, Tzar Ivan IV the "Terrible", Nero and many other folk.
  • fade_74 · 4 months ago
    Don't forget to add Paris Hilton....
  • Herald of Nurgle · 5 months ago
    That is NOTHING. You think that it's bad? Wrong universe, mate

    Sure, it's a bit extreme to have it as a sign on his back - surely an individual piece of terrain would be more appropriate, but I think it is realistic. I don't know if it gets my vote, sure, but it fits the fluff... and that is an important factor in this challenge for me
  • Ridicule · 5 months ago
    Actually, I think it's stuck to the base, look closely.
  • LEGION3000 · 5 months ago
    I'm sorry what?! how exactly does a blatant hitler clone fit the fluff?
  • Ridicule · 4 months ago
    wth? It's not a Hitler clone and Herald_of_Nurgle was reffering to the sign! Not the officer. Christ...
  • Anon · 5 months ago
    How is Hitler any worse than Inquisitors who hunt psychics and destroy mutated populations or entire planets because of religious belief (chaos)? I used to be immature about nazis on the table top but then I realized that a war game without bad guys is like a ice cream truck without a freezer.
  • LEGION3000 · 5 months ago
    Lets see, maybe because Inquisitors and psychics are make believe and Hitler is real!!!!

    Because exterminating a planet in a game universe is a fun plot device and killing Millions of real living people is NOT!

    Why anyone would bring real life evil, terror, and villainy into a fantasy game setting is beyond me. Its like someone building their City of Death models like the Twin Towers, its just bad taste.
  • Anonymous · 4 months ago
    Thank goodness people like you are still around to guard us from the evils of Hitler in all forms, not even resting even over half a century after his death.

    Please learn to get a little perspective on history.
  • Ridicule · 4 months ago
    There's a difference in taking inspiration from history and taking inspiration from recent events.

    City of Death based on the Twin Towers, somewhat of a bad taste yes. City of Death based on Stalingrad? Think about it. Hitler is a historic character just like many other dictators, kings, presidents and other old national leaders.
  • Wes Brown · 4 months ago
    I find it hypocritical of those that take issue with a Nazi-themed army, but don't bat an eye at Valhallan IG armies that are themed around Soviet Russia. I'm sure we've all heard of the gulag's before, haven't we? Nine-teen million plus people were murdered in the gulags by Stalin, over twice as many people that were murdered by Hitler and his goons. Soviet-themed armies are rampant in this game, yet no one seems to remember this little tidbit of history. Why?
  • Old_Paladin · 4 months ago
    The major difference is that the gulag's were forced labor camp (where people tended to die, but murder was uncommon), while the Nazi's had extermination camp (which were death factories).
    19 million+ people in 30 years is bad, but doesn't compare to 8-9 million+ in 2-3 years!
    It was also the types of people in the different types of camps. The gulag's were made of pretty much everybody in jail, and political dicidents were the ones that tended to be killed. The Nazi's targeted racial groups, and to a lesser extent POW's.
    Even the philosophy of the camps were different, the Soviet's felt that 10-20 years hard labor cleared the body and mind of everything bad, and the [now hard-working] person could be re-introduced back into society. The Nazi's wanted the 'sub-humans' to be removed from society and the gene-pool.
  • Wes Brown · 4 months ago
    So, what you're saying is that some lives (those that were persecuted for racial differences) are worth more than other lives (those that were persecuted because they were a "bane to society")? That's a great respect for human life, I tell ya...

    It makes no difference on the time frame. If you kill 40 people in an hour, and I kill 200 people over the course of 10 years, does that make me any less of a mass-murdering SOB?

    Also, the Nazi's persecuted way more people than the Jews for more than merely racial reasons. There were Slavs, gypsies, political enemies, homosexuals, and those that just didn't agree with the National Socialist agenda. They didn't discriminate too much on who they murdered.

    You're also not giving proper due to the condition of the gulag's. The Soviets purposely put fluoride in the water in order to sedate the population of the prisons, which later caused all sorts of cancer and nervous system epidemics for those that were actually released and even those that stayed in prison. It was just as much of a murder camp as Auschwitz or Dachau. It makes no difference HOW someone was murdered. The fact is that the Soviets murdered them, through direct killings or simple neglect.

    Stop trying to make excuses for what the Russians did.
  • Old_Paladin · 4 months ago
    I'm not trying to make excusses for the russians, but I do feel there is a major difference of intent.
    Thanks for proving some of my points. I never said Jews, I said races; Slavics, Polish, Gypsies and Jews can all be considered races (and thats why the Nazi's targeted them).
    And some people are going to say that different lives do have different value. A child being gased to death for who his.her parents are IS different then a rapest freezing to death while mining for iron.
    And I won't fight that Stalin was a monster (he was), but he was a different kind of monster. He was a monster through ignorence. He just didn't care if people died. Hitler, put a huge effort into making sure people died.
    That makes the difference between a death camp and a (deadly) labor camp. If you survived the gas, the Nazi's shot you or buried you alive. If you managed to be a good spot like camp nurse, or a southern gulag, or just made it through everything, the Soviets let you go free after time served.
  • sodcactus · 4 months ago
    Yes, remember painting any upper lip facial hair will turn any person into Hitler. That is a big no no. Clean shaved is the only way to go. </irony>
  • Digitarii · 5 months ago
    I have to vote for Simon, based not only on the paint job, but also on the fact that his squad is 90%+ GW pieces. I'm not sure on the standard, but I think that's a GW bit as well.
  • magiler · 5 months ago
    Hmmm ... I have an impression that poll organizers (BOLS) want us as to assess a general feeling about these entries, as the presented pictures are little too small to go with details.
  • jwolf_bols · 5 months ago
    You can click on the individual squads and get pictures that are big enough to see the fine details.
  • m0rm0k · 5 months ago
    Very nice everyone. I'm surprised to see so much pig iron. Am I the only one who thinks their heads look kind of cartoonish?
  • 3BAC · 5 months ago
    They do a bit. I guess it's a small price to pay when you don't like painting eyes...
  • m0rm0k · 5 months ago
    I hadn't really thought of them as a lack of eyes, but I see your point. Maybe the lack of that human eye contact is why they seem a little off.
  • Grantavius · 4 months ago
    I think that lack of eye contact is the reason they feel a bit off indeed- good point!
  • Greg · 5 months ago
    It was a tough decision because they're all really good!

    My vote went to Simon for having the coolest IG paint scheme I've ever seen. I also really liked Konstantin's, Will Downey's, and Luther's (though I'm not really a fan of the Pig Iron heads).
  • little brother · 5 months ago
    I must admit it is not exactly blowing my socks off. Bit disapponted really, because I thought the idea was to come up with some interesting builds based on the kit, rather than build something straight from the kit and paint it nicely. Apart from a few head swaps, the only one with any major conversion work is Kevins Valhallans with their green stuff great coats. He gets my vote for that.

    The painting is good in most cases, though Will's just looks like it has been dipped or washed rather any highlighting being done (sorry Will). Luther and Simon's greys are lovely but I really like the camouflage pattern on James' Catachans. I think people are overlooking the catachan paintjobs, take a closer look at James'.

    I had been planning on getting some pig iron heads, but now i see them painted well on a cadian body I am glad I didn't. They are good but not quite what I was looking for.
  • little brother · 5 months ago
    My mistake, just looked back at the original post and it wasn't a conversion comp. Sorry before anyone flames me. It just says you can do minor conversions to dress it up. Still going to vote for Kevin's though because I like his attempt to make it a bit different.
  • SinSynn · 5 months ago
    oh my goodness......these are all great, and all the entrants deserve at least a chimera....
    man, this is gonna be a tough decision if only one can be the winner.............
    Nice work, folks.....
  • Anton · 5 months ago
    cracking work chaps.... gives me plenty of ideas for a guard army, but cultists of course ;)
  • Tristan · 5 months ago
    Voted for Konstantin for the mutants sighting banner.
  • SinSynn · 4 months ago
    that IS an awesome banner...
    but I voted for him because the 'politically correct' crowd are throwing the words 'nazi' and 'Hitler' around.
    And I just friggin' hate the PC crowd. They can suck the fun out of anything, but seeing them here at BoLS is just too much.
    You Go, Nazi Hitlerite Guardsmen! You find those mutants, slap a 'Mutie' sticker on 'em, ship 'em off in crowded boxcar trains, and shuffle them off to the ovens! MMmm-Hmmmm! Burnie Mutant goodness....
    Why? 'cuz in the far, far, far, far future- mutants suck......
    Jeez.
  • Grantavius · 4 months ago
    Yeah, but Hitler doesn't fit the IG fluff; Commissars are Communist. You want racial purity you call in the Dark Angels.

    Why yes- SS does stand for shit-stirrer!
  • SinSynn · 4 months ago
    lol- I think I just got the name for my Nazi-Guardsman Epic:Armageddon Army, thanks, Grantavius!
    Ladies und Gentlemen, introducing-
    The Hitlerite S.S.
    Ok, maybe the 'shit-stirrer' logo will be wierd, but funny.
    But how to paint those hideous little mustaches on 6 mill. figs?!?
  • Grantavius · 4 months ago
    In the military excrement is mixed with diesel. The trooper in the most trouble then stirs it to ensure that it is properly mixed, and then it is burnt by a phosphorus grenade being detonated in the mix. Somehow even Nurgle doesn't do this....
  • slovak · 5 months ago
    "He is accompanied by Niles the Unspoken, who is required to be gagged or else will continue to scream blasphemies until he passes out."

    Joseph Baird gets my vote, in part because of his great prose piece (quoted above). Nice fluff man, and great job from all the finalists shown here. You guys did a great job!
  • Myrmidon · 5 months ago
    Damn, this is a tough call. I really like both Simon and Luther's squads. And while I'm not a fan of the Catachan minis overall, both those squads have kick-ass paint jobs too. Simon's and Joshua's squads have nice crisp color schemes. Nice job guys. No matter who gathers the most votes, there are a lot of damn nice looking models in this line up. My biggest complaint is that I can't see the models from different sides and angles.
  • fade_74 · 5 months ago
    Thanks myrmidon. I guess there is just no love left for the catachan lol. I actually started to do a camo job just like the swamprats, but when I finished the first guy...he didnt look.....futuristic enough. So I went with the yellow brown splotchy look. There was actually an african army years ago that sported something like it.
  • Capt_Forrix · 5 months ago
    Why did everyone get pissed about a guy that simply has a mustache reminicent to Hitler. I mean, for the record Charlie Chaplain had it too. Maybe the dude is a Chaplain fan?

    Anyway, why, if your going to complain about Nazi influences, did you not complain about the numerous heads that sport German helmets, German officer's caps, and grey uniforms?

    I mean, I don't have a problem with it, I think it's a pretty good source of inspiration for an organized mechanized army, but I just don't understand the logic of getting so mad.

    I'm personally deciding between Konstantin and Will Downy, but all the entries are really quite awesome.
  • Asymmetrical Xeno · 5 months ago
    oh ffs, make it as difficult for us to vote why dont you :P - seriously, they ALL look amazing! ill really have to think about this..
  • Mc Haggis · 4 months ago
    See Simon Brown's full squad in high res here: http://www.ordohydra.com/index.php?action=galle...
  • jimmy · 4 months ago
    is the pig iron heads guy part of the luther blissett project?
  • Iron Saint · 4 months ago
    Yes they are, check my blog for more info
    http://lordsofterra.blogspot.com/2009/06/vote-f...
    and thanks to everyone that voted for me!
  • Jon · 4 months ago
    I really liked your Imperial Guard coomand squad on BOLS. What colours did you use to get your grey shades?
    Cheers
  • Iron Saint · 4 months ago
    Thanks!
    Actually it was quite simple, since I'm using a lot of infantry i needed a
    fast paint scheme (even because I'm not too good as a painter)

    steps:

    1. black primer on the miniature
    2. adeptus battlegray on the cloth and codex grey on the armor
    3. wash everything with badab black
    4. then again adeptus battlegray on the cloth and codex grey on the
    armor, just as highlight
    5. then using a mix of adeptus battlegray + fortress grey (just a little
    bit) final highlight on the cloth and codex grey + fortress grey for a final
    highlight on the armor
    6. finally some pure fortress gray on the armor's edges

    the trick is to use a very liquid color in step 4 and apply different layers
    (2-3) until you have the desired result

    Let me know if this works for you

    Regards

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  • Jon · 4 months ago
    That's brilliant. Cheers for that :-)