Bell of Lost Souls - Latest Comments in BoLS POLL: Rating the Named Characters

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Melissia — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:25:52 -0000

I wouldn't be surprised if he just forgot about them because of GW's neglect of that army. Disappointed yes, but not surprised :P

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Melissia — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:24:44 -0000

Praxedese would top it, if only because of her fluff. An ordinary human killing a hive tyrant in close combat one on one? Full of win.

Too bad GW had a brainfart and forgot to include her in the codex, instead stuffing her in a WD article.

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Ghost — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 08:11:26 -0000

as a tau player i feel dissaponted by our characters overall, the codex got published at a time when GW was trying to promote ICS by making them more balanced, but now with the glut of excessivly OP ICS in 5th ed (im looking your way calgar and sicarius) they just plain suck, also on an unrelated note, Why pay an extra five points to give my broadside squad leader a +1 increase to his weapon skill when he'll never see close combat EVER, (in all my games they've never got charged)

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Guest — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 07:55:28 -0000

Abbadon is N1
the rest are so far behind....1vs1 he would kill anything in any book

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Mo — Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:44:53 -0000

Why is everyone going crazy over Abbadon or Calgar, Were as Lelith is absolutely filthy she is 90 points for something that is I 8 has an agoniser which is a power weapon that always wounds on 4's a 2+ invul save and if she loses that a 4+ invul save in combat. Not to mention she lets you take wyches as troops. She also has combat drugs and she can choose which one her AND HER UNIT benefit from. all for 90 points. or what about asdrubael vect on his flying landraider that counts as dred in combat with I and ws 7 attacks.
Or what about Beliel that lets you take termies as troops or sammuel that lets you take Ravenwing as troops.
Or even blood angel ones like mephiston being ws and i 6 with a str 5 force weapon that can have a possible 8 attacks on the charge.

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Will Incarnate — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 01:51:38 -0000

"Shrike and his magical fleeting Terminators" is one of the most amusing and unusual strategies I have thought of. Shrike's ability allows all units to replace their combat tactics with the ability to fleet. As far as I know, since terminators have that ability, they can fleet. Granted this makes little sense when coming to the idea unless you believe in personal teleportation devices like the ones in DoW, but it is funny to think about. I like the idea of Assault terminators in Land Raiders and charging them straight into the enemy. When you add up all the distances, you can move a maximum of 27.5 inches if the terminators assault. (12 inches LR movement + 2 inch disembarkation + 1.5 inch base + 6 inch maximum fleet + 6 inch assault move) This is a total asshole maneuver; only reason I think I haven't heard of anyone doing this is how expensive pointwise this formation is. 3 LRC's and 24 termies + Shrike isn't cheap. However it might be fun to try in Apoc.

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Will Incarnate — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 01:31:42 -0000

I have actually played out fights like this on the board. If you start the characters 18 inches away, Calgar should just back off and shoot Abbadon to death. Plus, this forces Abbadon to run towards Calgar to stand any chance, allowing Calgar to always get the charge (not that it matters much). However, once Abbadon get Calgar, there are three things that usually happen.

Abbadon can roll a one for his deamon weapon, get slapped in the face by his over-sized sword and later get taught a lessen by Calgar about how stupid it is to bring an unstable weapon into combat. This happens rarely, but if Abbadon rolls a one and Calgar had already managed to take a wound or two off (mind you, Calgar's guns still need 5's to wound even though he has the re-roll) then Calgar usually takes down Abbadon.

Abbadon could also get to attack, but may not get enough attacks to kill Calgar outright, leaving him with a wound or two. This leads to Calgar surviving, and depending on how many wounds Abbadon has left, Calgar may or may not take him down. If he doesn't, then it all depends on what Abbadon does in the next phase.

And last but not least, Abbadon cuts down Calgar like he is some little girl. Rolling a 5 or a 6 to determine the number of attacks Abbadon gets means that Calgar will probably die outright, unless he is good at rolling invuls. This does happen a lot if Abbadon gets close to Calgar.

However, this is all based on single combat. If you are looking for a balance of a powerful fighter but also one that provides a good boost to your army, then Calgar definitely outshines Abbadon. The ability for all his units to pass or fail leadership tests is amazing, considering that if you lose in close combat but still wish to continue fighting, your units do not take armor saves since the leadership test was passed; the unit was not fearless, even if they hve the basic ability to act like one. Abbadon is purely a single power model, which means the best way to fight him is to not fight him at all. If you can keep your army away from Abbadon, then you have denied your enemy a good chunk of useful points. The ability that Calgar gives to the entire army should be enough to land him a spot on this list.

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Griffotronmachi — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:21:20 -0000

why you care is a mystery to me. in game terms, he rocks

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W_E — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:13:59 -0000

Can you really do all that in the new Codex? If so, Awesome.

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Lord — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:09:06 -0000

If you want reserve control, take a Autarch. Or take Creed for deployment!

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Lord — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:06:39 -0000

I take Cassius, whenever I am debating about which basic HQ to take. For the 25 points, he is unkillable, and is a regular chaplain (which is awsome!) to boost. I would vote for him for points effective HQ choice!

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Phil — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:38:13 -0000

You forgot Shrike. Why? Let me set it up; Shrike, Jump-Chappie, 10 Assault Termies, 10 Sterns(all w combis) in Drop Pod, 2-3 10 strong Tactical w flamers n drop Pods, 10 Jump-Vanguard-or-Assault Marines, and maybe a Scout squad or 2 w Tele-homers. 2 Drop Pods come in (your choice) shoot n assault, all else in deep stirke. ALL of the army has fleet. Termies autolock Let the guard/Chaos/Necrons/Orks deal with that....

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Crackinjahcs — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:21:29 -0000

I see some folks questioning Eldrad. In three years I have yet to face an Eldar list that doesn't have him. Best character isn't always about HtH. He gets the redeployment and will fortune, guide, and doom units all day long... on three dice.

BTW I don't play Eldar. He may not be top of the pile but he's definitely in the top 7.

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widowscar — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:57:59 -0000

Lysander or Ghazghkull, gotta be!

Both affect their whole army's performance and both can thrash most other things in a 1 on 1 fight.......

Lysander probably edges it for being cheaper and harder to kill

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Will Curran — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 09:40:13 -0000

What about Commander Farsight? Way underestimated as most people don't realize that his power is in the fact that you can field SEVEN cheap Crisis Suits as his bodyguard.

I've used it to destroy Knob Biker Lists.

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asdf — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 09:24:41 -0000

You should factor in the Gauntlets of Ultramar shooting as well.

Calgar gets AP2 bolter shots and will always get the bolter shots and the charge against Abbadon.

Win or Lose he can always fall back from the combat, abbadon cannot sweeping advance in terminator armor, and then resume shooting and get his bonus for charging as well.

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Bijyu — Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:18:13 -0000

The shop here has done MANY 1v1 hero competitions and the Nightbringer always comes out on top. There isnt a hero that can beat him. Without getting really lucky anyways since its a game of dice. Abaddon is amazing as well I love watching him get into melee and just wipe out entire squads by himself.

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Kloudfire — Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:22:07 -0000

what about lysander?

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Sorien — Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:34:20 -0000

Ghazzy is a beast in CC. Maybe not the best, but 7 STR10 PK attacks at WS6 on the charge and immune to instant death is nothing to ignore.

But it is the Prophet of the Waggh! ability that makes Ghazzy over the top. An entire army of orks with an 18" assault range and fearless for 2 player turns is simply amazing.

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Iboshi — Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:24:34 -0000

I'm curious to hear why Ghaz is up there in votes with Eldrad and Abby. Someone have an idea on that? I've never been amazed by Ghaz, where the other 2 are constantly amazing, Eldrad even more than Abby.

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RealGenius — Sun, 12 Apr 2009 11:43:08 -0000

I personally like Fuegan. I've been using him in my Eldar list lately and the combined ability to kick butt in assault and pop vehicles is unmatched by the other PLords,

Asurmen sucks because he doesn't have anything higher than S4 ever. He must cruise around killing IG or something.

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BeastOfShadow — Sun, 12 Apr 2009 05:28:53 -0000

I thought that's what god of war did, allows reroll to hit and wound. I don't have the codex on hand and I don't use any smurf charecters. if he can't then abaddon will win by more

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BrianGeneral — Sun, 12 Apr 2009 03:53:07 -0000

Kharn hands down.

Also I'm not sure if it is right but I think Skulltaker should also be on the list. Anyone without Eternal Warrior/IK Immunity will got f***ed by him......His only weakness will be low T and 2W but people usually put him on a Jug/Chariot anyway. He's also dirt cheap.

As a Tau player I consider all their characters are just supporting roles------none are really powerful enough to take part in this contest. PLs shouldn't be missed though. I don't really care abouty SPESE MEHRINS anyway.

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Guy Smiley — Sun, 12 Apr 2009 02:58:28 -0000

Curious, why would Calgar reroll misses? All I see is re-roll wounds.

Sorry, didn't see that Calgar WS kinda blows :P

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Ian Cross — Sun, 12 Apr 2009 02:41:17 -0000

I have to suggest the following. Calgar, Lysander, and Kharn.