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Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts for the Week: Baiting Your Opponent

Jakes — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 06:39:18 -0000

You left out a Dark Eldar Archon with his Incubi

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts for the Week: Baiting Your Opponent

sodcactus — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:07:11 -0000

Sorry, IC's CAN join IC's to form a unit. Please refer to p. 48 in the rules. IC's can't join MC's or Vehicles but pretty much everything else (if they don't come with a retinue of course)

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts for the Week: Baiting Your Opponent

AdamHarry — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:29:09 -0000

ya, and in the pic he's got horns...

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Guest — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:55:28 -0000

You are such great fun. It's good to see lists like this, and makes me feel better about the way I structure my own: To Kill.
Why can't there be dudes like you within a thousand miles, gawwwwdammit?

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts for the Week: Baiting Your Opponent

LEGION3000 — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:31:42 -0000

I pretty much don't know a DE player that can handle a horde list AND a heavy list with one list. When all the players are of a similar skill I doubt it can be done. DE are one of those armies that needs to be tailored to the scenario to be really effective or pick the raider list and hope to at least tie a hoard.

One thing to keep in mind, Hoard lists are often foot sloggers. So if you can fake out your opponent and redeploy to one side of the board, it is going to take your opponent a long time to get back into contact. Hopefully you can take out half his army before that happens.

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts for the Week: Baiting Your Opponent

LEGION3000 — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:20:28 -0000

I do this all the time with necrons and a lord with the veil of darkness. Your opponent knows its there but pretty much HAS to charge the unit of warriors or be blasted to pieces rapid fire style. But then *poof* unit ports out and they still get blasted by the unit of immortals/destroyers/warriors behind them. It creates a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts for the Week: Baiting Your Opponent

wkz — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:36:05 -0000

"Shoot me because I am big" method of baiting?
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How about "shoot me because I am Pretty (and impressive)"? There you go fluff/modelers! Make a <leader> who'd rival Forgeworld's Warboss on Bike model, and you instantly get your bait

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts for the Week: Baiting Your Opponent

lukerev — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:32:52 -0000

Personally, I have found nobs with gaz beat Nob bikers.

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Al — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:58:23 -0000

Either learn how to deal with it - or it'll eat your lunch....

It's a legal list, powerful, and effective - people will play it.

I think it's beatable though...once a few of them drop - the leadership issues start popping up.....

Nothing funnier than the look on a Ork players face when his Nobs break and get run down in HTH - did that once - was hilarious!

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts for the Week: Baiting Your Opponent

GoatboyBBMA aka Thomas — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:27:59 -0000

List is fixed. All have cybork armor as you can just have one guy with it etc. I also fixed the goof in the email address. Hooray copy and paste!

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bullymike — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:02:38 -0000

one way to make your sentences flow better, is to stop putting commas in the middle of simple statements that don't need them. >:P

good article TP

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts for the Week: Baiting Your Opponent

Darkwynn — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:30:44 -0000

but if he did that John All hell would break loose !!

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rev — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:29:07 -0000

9 Incubi + lord in raider (so yes it's max)
you forgot the rules for fearless unit (see morale section on 5th ed, subsection NO RETREAT!) , they get extra damage if they ever lose combat. I killed with average 24 boyz on charge in single combat. For nobz, I could kill all of them on single charge. And also incubi has WS 5 and 3+ armor saves.

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mozza — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:10:39 -0000

Terribly sorry, I made the mistake of thinking Goatboy stated precisely the above in the main article, how foolish of me.

People came on here berating the cheesy powergaming list when it wasnt the point. Read the article before you post, not hard is it?

OT- Baiting can be enhanced with certain armies by making particular units (works well with orks) stand out and look more nasty. I.e. converting your barebones warboss on bike to look like an absolute monster that cost a shed load of points because he's so huge. Likewise a Captain could be converted to be truescale and look far more dangerous than he really is. Easier to achieve with xenos but worth a try with most armies.

If something looks big and scary it makes people want to shoot it, if even at a subconsious level.

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts for the Week: Baiting Your Opponent

Old Shatter Hands — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:45:52 -0000

The voice of reason....please read the above comment.

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts for the Week: Baiting Your Opponent

Reecius — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:31:49 -0000

As usual I enjoyed the article, Goatboy, thanks for taking the time to write it up.

Its crazy to see the reactions on here, but let me stick some flowers in the guns everyone around here likes to wave around.

CHILL OUT. Its a game, everyone can play it however they want to. No one is wrong, its all a matter of perspective.

Some people, like me for one, enjoy a game against the hardest lists and the best players. Its more engaging that way. Some people don't and that is fine. I like fun thematic games too. Its just different ways to paly the game.

So, if you don't agree with the way people play or the opinions expressed in this article that is fine, but be civil about it. A "tough guy" on the internet is obviously a man with a small wee-wee in real life, and no one wants to make themself look like an angry, tiny wee-wee guy, right? Right!

Keep it up Goatboy, the articles are fun to read and can help people who like to play the game more competitively,

Reecius

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Sheesh — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:00:23 -0000

Abuse like this should be removed. "peanut sized cranium" "verbal poo"

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts for the Week: Baiting Your Opponent

jwolf_bols — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:24:55 -0000

Cybork is all or none. If Bigred would get around to giving me edit on GBs posts, I'd edit the list in the article to add Cybork where it is missing.

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts for the Week: Baiting Your Opponent

Darkwynn — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:23:00 -0000

better off just taking 20 sisters and just drop them with exorist and faith points.

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts for the Week: Baiting Your Opponent

GoatboyBBMA aka Thomas — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:08:07 -0000

We have thought about it and might test it out later. I keep thinking fleeting termies, while funny is a truly scaring thing. Pop out of an LR, and bam we are in your face doing the dance of death heh.

Most of the time, other bike armies are at a disadvantage due to the fact nobz have 2 wounds. Also, most shooting, nobz get two saves, while the other other armies only get 1 and a bad roll can be really bad for them.

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CT — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:37:05 -0000

Thanks for the response. One more scenario:

How does it perform against mobile marines(Ravenwing, White Scars, Black Templars/Chaos in Land Raiders)? What are your tactics when you face another mobile assault force that could possibly out number your own?

(Side note: I wonder if anyone out there is playing Raven Guard Assault Terminators; Thunder Hammers with Fleet - wouldn't that be weird?)

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts for the Week: Baiting Your Opponent

Sixsystems — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:34:37 -0000

So much hostility... and to think that I was not any part of it! *sigh*

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts for the Week: Baiting Your Opponent

Al — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:12:32 -0000

Absolutely - Nobz bikers won the Baltimore GT this year - as well as Chicago I believe. It's a top tier list that is played. You either know about it and come up with ways to deal with it - or you face it and get schooled by it. I'm personally enjoying these articles - as a tournament player myself. Maybe GB just needs to state - this is for tournament players.

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Al — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:11:27 -0000

Good idea - but doesn't this hurt bad in a kill point mission?

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jmanj — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:08:21 -0000

One thing I would like commented on as someone else already asked, can some nobs be given cybork bodies while other don't? I think it is kind of up in the air based on the wording; however, Army Builder for example makes you take all or none for cybork bodies.