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Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts: Wolf Lord Builds

mcdoogle — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:05:55 -0000

Might make for decent Fenrisians:

http://www.warpathgames.com...

D&D Miniatures also makes a Deathknell, and Dire Wolves model that aren't too bad. They may be out of print now, so a little research is in order.

Magnificent Egos Miniatures makes a Half-Dragon/Dire Wolf, for those who want to get really ambitious:

http://www.scifigenre.com/i...

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts: Wolf Lord Builds

Legoklods — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:46:21 -0000

It's what the GW-man said...
I consider question and answer regard it very official since the man is speaking on behalf of GW, though its not like an anouncement...

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts: Wolf Lord Builds

DarkLink — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:04:18 -0000

"I'm not about to argue that this extends to lords taking the thunderwolf as an upgrade, but the fact that GW saw fit to make the unit basic T5 gives me pause to wonder."

Then we're in agreement. TWolf cavalry are definitely T5. I'm referring to Lords, who don't have an explicit statline, and as such, by default, have T(4)5.

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts: Wolf Lord Builds

Darxaan — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:25:42 -0000

Except that you left something out of your citation: "... In these cases two values will be shown for the Toughness characteristic of the model..."
In the case of thunderwolf cavalry, it does not show two values, only one. I'm not about to argue that this extends to lords taking the thunderwolf as an upgrade, but the fact that GW saw fit to make the unit basic T5 gives me pause to wonder.

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts: Wolf Lord Builds

Dr Henry Killinger — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 10:27:17 -0000

A Wolf Lord I'm considering is Saga of the Bear, Terminator Armour, Wolf-tail Talisman, Wolf-tooth Necklace and Belt of Russ, topped off with twin Thunder Hammers just for how awesome it will look.

I was thinking of going with a Thunder Hammer and Wolf Claw to give me options in combat, but I figured I would probably use the hammer for the most part anyway. His main job is going to be hunting enemy HQs with a pack of Wolf Guard Terminators.

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts: Wolf Lord Builds

Dr Henry Killinger — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:33:03 -0000

Modifiers have never ever changed the base value of a characteristic unless it specifically says so. This rule of thumb has existed in both 40k and WFB for as long as they have existed. There was a short period where this had to be clearly explained to people who were either stupid or sought to exploit the rules. Thunderwolf Cavalry are a separate unit entry and cannot be used as a comparison.

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts: Wolf Lord Builds

GentlemanLoser — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 03:50:09 -0000

"The rending came in handy this weekend when my Wolf Lord got into a fight with a Defiler and had to resort to rending it out instead of trying to hit it with a Frostblade"

It's no longer possible to turn off you're Power Fist (or other special CCW) and attack without them any more.

If you give your WL a special CCW, they have to use that, and will no longer ever gain from the Rending on the TWM.

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts: Wolf Lord Builds

Zeruel13 — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:48:42 -0000

How can it. It says +1 toughness to his profile. No where does it say this does not effect the instant death rule as it does for the Mark of Nurgle or a Bike. It adjusts his base profile. Look at Thunderwolf Cavalry for example, they are all base toughness 5 not 4 (5).

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts: Wolf Lord Builds

Dr Henry Killinger — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:36:57 -0000

Yes. It. Can.

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts: Wolf Lord Builds

goatboybols — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:20:57 -0000

Hahha - I just work late night support shift - and I work a type of connection that rarely breaks etc. So I write and do a lot of my hobby work there.

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts: Wolf Lord Builds

LordSandwich — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:01:58 -0000

... Goatboy runs these in 5 man TWC units with 10 Fenrisian Wolves as a missile screen. They're actually incredibly survivable.

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts: Wolf Lord Builds

LordSandwich — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:59:01 -0000

That was a grammar joke.

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts: Wolf Lord Builds

LordSandwich — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:58:13 -0000

Why? Do you work better under a stressful environment?

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts: Wolf Lord Builds

LordSandwich — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:56:42 -0000

No, I wasn't talking about GK LRs. They're arguably the best in the game right now. I'm talking about the DH LRs.

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts: Wolf Lord Builds

absolutionis — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:01:05 -0000

Yeah! Also, a full squad of Nob Bikers clocks in at over 500pt and all them are more expensive than a Land Raider AND they die to meltaguns and railguns.

I would PREFER a game where someone took a couple of these.

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts: Wolf Lord Builds

namehere — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:45:02 -0000

Could you link me to some models?

- I'm perplexed on how to get some Cav at a half decent price.

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts: Wolf Lord Builds

Littlbitz — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:10:09 -0000

I'm suprised no one has mentioned a Wolf Lord on a Bike. My Wolf Lord is on a Space Marine bike with Saga of the Bear, and a Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield. He runs with a Swift Claws pack and there is absolutely nothing that doesn't die or explode when they hit it.

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts: Wolf Lord Builds

Zeruel13 — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:08:02 -0000

Or if you take a Thunderwolf mount you're toughness 5, a Lascannon can no longer instant kill you.

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts: Wolf Lord Builds

GM Rex Nihilo — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:06:10 -0000

Sorry the second link is a repeat, it should be;

http://www.games-workshop.c...

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts: Wolf Lord Builds

GM_Rex_Nihilo — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:00:53 -0000

In addition to the above there is the following option on the GW website:

http://www.games-workshop.c...

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts: Wolf Lord Builds

bumbler20 — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:36:13 -0000

Oh, Goatboy, without your input I would feel rather badly about this ZZ Top I've grown for 5th!

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts: Wolf Lord Builds

goatboybols — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:49:25 -0000

I think Lone Wolfs are fun and will probably go into them in another article. I have two with Chainfist/Storm Shield and 2 dogs.

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts: Wolf Lord Builds

fortheemperor — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:39:59 -0000

I made my Thunderwolf Cav the cheap way. I am using some plastic D&D wolf models. One is the Dire Vampire Wolf (IIRC) and the other is the White Wolf. I know they are not citadel but I don't care. They look decent, and it is a whole lot better than empty bases. I used biker legs and built the torso on top...

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts: Wolf Lord Builds

namehere — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:32:21 -0000

*We'll*

- I Agree they should be base T 5.

And 40 pts for Term armor? Could there be a bigger point sink in the Codex? I think 25 would be well priced, even a few more. But 40? For 5 more points you're telling me I can have a thunderwolf? I make a Term Wolf Lord just for the awesomeness of the model and plan on using him in campaings for the coolness of things.

Equiped as such - Term, Chainfist, Wolf Claw, Talisman, Saga of The Magesty.

I'm hopping that the coolness of the model will bring him good Voo-Doo and make the point sink he is worth it.

Though I do like some of your Wolf Lord biulds, fielding even two of them becomes a stretch - even in 'Ard Boys type games.

You need to do an article on the real under rated, heavy hitter in the codex...

Lone Wolves. -Term armor, TH, SS. - Coupled with Eternal Warrior, Fearless, and Beastslayer and FNP this model rediculous. Swap them out for wolf claws and he'll take on entire squads because of his 2+ 3++ FNP and fearless.

- My TH/SS one took out... Ready for this?... 2 T7 Carnifexes, a Hive Tyrant, and a Zoanthrope all by HIMSELF. Every wound, in one game. And he lived to tell the tale. I couldn't get him killed. Believe me, I was trying. They are awesome.

Re: Goatboy's 40k Thoughts: Wolf Lord Builds

namehere — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:21:29 -0000

So are these just your rules or?....