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Bell of Lost Souls: NEWS: Price Increase Reminder

  • Augie · 1 year ago
    Why does the Doom song play over in my head every time I read/hear something about this? Such a bummer.
  • Mezmaron · 1 year ago
    Is AoBR price going up to $70 USD? I heard it was, but haven't seen anyone talk about it, so guessing that was just a rumor.
  • BrassScorpion · 1 year ago
    Short answer: no. Long answer, I believe there might be another version coming out eventually that includes paints, kind of like they have for Skull Pass and had for Macragge. That "hobby" version of the set will likely cost $70 US.
  • nurglespuss · 1 year ago
    ALso just a comment on store closures, there have also been store openings too. Two new UK stores are opening up on Oct the 11th, so tings aren't as doom and gloom as some would have you believe. Also a comment on paint, why does any of the events/effects mentioned have any effect on paint price? surely this should be independent?
  • faultie · 1 year ago
    Why would the cost of gas make metal models more expensive, but not plastics? Don't look for too much logic behind this.
  • BrassScorpion · 1 year ago
    The cost of everything is higher when the price of fuel goes up because everything has to be transported, both raw materials and finished product. What caused the metal to specifically increase so much is that there was also a recent jump in the price of tin, which is a key component in the pewter alloy used to make the metal miniatures.

    Obviously, plastic is also costing GW more right now, both because of transportation cost and because polystyrene plastic is a petroleum product. However, they've decided to obviously try and make up the difference in other areas and keep plastic kit prices stable for the moment. A lot goes into business decisions like this when costs increase because things are tighter for your customers too and raising prices can cause a drop in sales volume that more than offsets any gains from an increase. It's not simple stuff and it can't be treated that way, especially without all the massive numbers involved that only company accountants get to see.
  • faultie · 1 year ago
    Yes, that's what GW (and PP, even) said. However, that doesn't explain why books (paper) are getting more expensive, but plastic (often a petroleum product) is not. It must be transported too, right? Oil futures are 4x what they were 4 years ago. Why no plastics jump?
    I'm not saying costs aren't going up. I'm saying that the burden of bearing the costs is being selectively applied.
  • BrassScorpion · 1 year ago
    >> I'm saying that the burden of bearing the costs is being selectively applied

    Yes it is. All price increases from any comapny are selectively applied based on sales projections, overhead, market as in what customers will pay, etc. That's not really a revelation or even a criticism.
  • faultie · 1 year ago
    On the contrary, that IS a criticism. They point to a mechanism forcing the increase. "Oil, metal, printed materials and transport" (GW quote)--Thus, plastics, metals, books (and packaging), and transport for all. However, only the books and metal models have price increases.
    If the demand for metals is (supposedly) so low, how do they plan to support the added costs for ALL products with additional cost on a range that's being phased out? Fewer metals sold means less of this extra surcharge coming in. The plastics price increase is coming. I'd rather they did it now, and applied a smaller percentage increase to all items, instead of forcing out metals now, and then upping plastics later.

    You are correct, it's not a revelation. Everyone has seen this coming. If GW wants to move exclusively to plastics, this is exactly what they should be doing.

    I'm not trying to argue just to argue, and you make a good point. I'm fully aware that costs are not evenly spread out to various lines. I just don't think it makes sense in this situation. I'm also just a bit sore about performance. Speaking as a shareholder, the last few years have been awful. Leisures in the MID300 have taken hits in the last year, but GW has been dropping for some time now.
  • Jack · 1 year ago
    Are the new space marine release prices going to up to? eg codex, vanguard are coming out on the 4th of oct at $30. Will their price go up now?
  • somewhat_damaged · 1 year ago
    yes i believe so

    in Australia the price of the codex is listed at $43 pre-increase; but its selling for $50 when it comes out
  • nurglespuss · 1 year ago
    Yep COdex going straight from £15 - £18 and other codexs going from £12-£15.
  • jack · 1 year ago
    Does it pay to pre order?
  • Anonymous · 1 year ago
    Bleh. Looks like I won't be buying nine Ringwraiths at once, then.
  • Savark · 1 year ago
    PRICE INCREASE???
  • TheInnerGeek · 1 year ago
    I guess I really don't have a problem with the price increase. I used to have a problem when they've come along, but in my old age I guess I realize that what I pay for this hobby is still a lot less than I'd spend sitting at the bar a night or two a week. It keeps me home and out of trouble!

    As for the GW financial problems...

    My local GW area Manager is constantly talking about how he's about to open four to five new stores in the DFW area over the next couple years. Could be hype, could be propaganda, but who knows? Also, I know what the store discount is for GW employees, which leads me top believe I know what the markup is on most of the products (unless they sell to employees at a loss). I'm not sure how you can not make money with that sort of profit per box!

    An interesting, if only vaguely related, thought. I was perusing my Oct White Dwarf and read the article about the evolution of the Space Marine. Jes mentioned of the original Rhino (way back old version), that they sold more of those Rhinos than any other kit they'd ever made. I think I know why. The first time I bought a Rhino, they were three to a box and cost $15. So maybe there is something to the accessibility through affordability logic? That said, they could sell it cheap because they only used one sprue, they just used it twice per Rhino, and they probably had way less overhead. Still, if the new ones were three for fifteen dollars, who wouldn't have about twenty of them laying around?
  • EthelCombat · 1 year ago
    That GW margin is rather awesome! In their defense though, most retail margins are 50%-200% above their cost. I've seen retail prices of 3X product cost without any consumer hesitation.

    GW has also been rather aggressive with company stores this decade. Most stores are well supported and do well. Having to close 35 stores and reopen them in more appropriate locations sounds pretty smart. It also means that I’ll have stores near by for me to get my plastic crack cocain.

    I pointed out a lot of this a few days back in a thread that took a tangent into economics.

    http://belloflostsouls.blogspot.com/2008/09/new...

    And yes, I do pat myself on the back!
  • Anonymous · 1 year ago
    They should rerelease BFG with more plastics. I would buy literally 3000pts worth of plastic Cobras.

    Hm. I should go and fiddle with BFG and see how much rebalancing it'd take to turn it into a small ship game. Escort/Light Cruisers only, massive fleets which go down in one hit... could be awesome.
  • Cy · 1 year ago
    I haven't seen anything about the Canadian prices going up... Does this mean that our prices aren't changing? Or just that no one has bothered putting it anywhere?
  • faultie · 1 year ago
    Hopefully it won't. You chaps in Canada have been getting the short-end for some time when you compare Canadian prices to American, then the Looney to the USD. For example, Chaos Marine battleforce: $90US, $130CA. Actual conversion: $90US=$92.63CA. $130CA=$126.30US. I think you guys could use a break.
  • Gibbtall · 1 year ago
    I've just been informed that aparently GW Canada is in fact lowering or has already lowered their prices, :)
  • faultie · 1 year ago
    Good news for our Canadian friends!
  • Augie · 1 year ago
    It ain't the plastic cost.

    It's the labor. Metal casting is far more labor intense and far slower than plastic injection.

    Gasoline is merely a convenient reason.
  • BERZERKERMIKE84 · 1 year ago
    OK I CAN UNDERSTAND THATABOUT THE PLASTIC MODELS. BUT HOW ABOUT THEIR MAGAZINE,WHITE DWARF. WHITE DWART WAS ONCE ONLY 4.99, PRICEY FOR A MAG THAT IS ONLY ABOUT 60 PAGES LONG. BUT NOW IT IS $6.00. HOW COME IT WAS RAISED IN PRICE? WHY WOULD THEIR OWN MAG COST MORE NOW THEN EVER BEFORE? ALSO THE PRICE OF REG PAINTS WAS RAISED AS WELL ALONG WITH THE NOVELS THEY SELL AND A GOOD DEAL OF THEIR "FLUFF" GOODS.ALSO WHY DO THEY CHANGE HANDS SO MANY TIME WITH THE WD STAFF? OH AND ONE MORE THING, THIS IS FOR EVERYONE BUT I LIKE BRASS TO ANSWER THIS ONE : WHY IS IT THAT A SQUAD OF REG MARINES(10) COST $30 AND A SQUAD OF Terminators(5) COST $50?
  • TheInnerGeek · 1 year ago
    I'm not sure what BrassScorpion might say, but I'd like to take a stab at your last question.

    Marine players, except Deathwing, only need or can even field a small number of Terminators. Tactical Marines should be making up a lot more of your army. So the average marine player might only ever buy two boxes of Terminators, but five or six or even more Tactical boxes. To make the money off the lower selling box, you have to charge more. This plus the fact that I believe that GW at one point fessed up and said, you are also paying for how good/powerful the unit is in the game. This isn't gospel, just my observations.
  • EthelCombat · 1 year ago
    GW has stated in White Dwarf that (I'll paraphrase) you're not paying for necessary goods. The hobby is most definitely a luxury good. As such the cost and price are NOT related. GW asks us to pay as much as they think we would pay for those super-cool but non-core units.

    I'm not sure the price is geared towards manufacturing costs either. The much anticipated Ork Stompa kit or Space Marine drop pod, as examples, have been delayed till they are viable to produce in quantity. The Tau Piranha moving from the Forge World line to the Citadel line is another example that illustrates the point that GW makes kits when they are feasible and desirable.
  • faultie · 1 year ago
    I suppose they have a formula, or a reasoning, or something. But it's defective. They've been operating at a loss for several years. So...something isn't working. They can't keep touting the same line, operating in the red the whole time, and still claim that they're right. Neither can anyone else.

    Whatever their secret formula, it could use some improvement.
  • BrassScorpion · 1 year ago
    >> GW at one point fessed up and said, you are also paying for how good/powerful the unit is in the game.

    This is true. The formula's a proprietary secret, but the implementation of it is not. It's why a small single mini in one blister (e.g., an Imperial assassin) often costs more than a blister of three larger ones (e.g., witch hunter henchman). As has been pointed out, this can also affect the boxes of premium or elite plastic troops as well.

    Again, in answer to the rants that go something like, "what about this and what about that", etc., the pricing structure of a variety of goods from any company is complex, extremely complex, and it is not realistic to think there will be any anwer that will satisfy that kind of questioning. The simple answer is, some items have a higher profit margin (e.g., mark-up) than others. It's true in every industry, be it restaurants, toys, computer goods, bedding, and on and on.
  • BrassScorpion · 1 year ago
    The price of the remaining Space Marine Spearheads in the US shot up to $273 today as the price increase took effect. I'm certainly glad I got one before the increase.
  • Veritechpilot01 · 1 year ago
    For all those Canadians who were concerned:
    -Today our plastic kits came down in price
    -Metals stayed the same
    -Codex for the most part went down
    -Hobby supplies (Primer, Brushes) went up in price

    Here is the link to the PDF with the price changes:

    http://ca.games-workshop.com/news/cn/Announceme...
  • Drunkencorgimaster · 1 year ago
    Hey, now that oil has dropped to $50 a barrell can we expect a price CUT?