Im not digging how that small group of Marines if destroying a whole waagh in close combat.
4thCompanyMasterCorvus
· 6 months ago
I Could understand if it was a Small Group of Greyknights on a (praticually) sucide misson to stop the rise of a Deamon. With the occasional conflict with the Orks or whatever. But not a Combat Squad?
Alex P.
· 6 months ago
I cant get my head past the fact they are using weapons that are not normally allowed for a regular space marine.
I thought a chapters armory does not simply handout thunder-hammers to just anyone.
Parcival
· 6 months ago
Blood Angels' Veteran Assault Squads can have Thunderhammers and Stormshields plus Jump Packs. I currently have two squads on my painting table. =)
Alex P.
· 6 months ago
But they all bear Tactical Squad markings..
Parcival
· 6 months ago
Oh, I didn't notice. Well, let's hope they still get that right.
Old_Paladin
· 6 months ago
Actually, it looks like they advance in rank throughout the game. In the frames around 0:47, the thunderhammer guy has an imbellished golden eagle for one shoulderpad, and gold scaling for the other (not showing tactical squad marks).
Mantel
· 6 months ago
Vanguard Vets using the moive marine rules? :D
JL
· 6 months ago
Think of them as a killteam of marines, more elite then a regular squad, smaller number and access to better wargear, THEN sent on a near imposable mission. And all that with good old space marine optimism. I cant wait!
Mantel
· 6 months ago
Opinion seems to be leaning towards them being a command squad to explain the size and variety of weapons.
bluesfart
· 6 months ago
I'm sure this demo is just to get people excited, and the real game-play will vary.
LordBoofhead
· 6 months ago
Well the Smurfs are apparently Place Holders, so maybe they are gonna be Mentors? They pack a disturbingly varried amount of shinny stuff. One of the many reasons its a good idea to stay friends with The Tech Preists of Mars!
Also Iron Hands and Sallamanders like to twack things with hammers, as do the Space Wolves...
Lord_Humongous.
· 6 months ago
Who cares about what weapons they can or can't use? Look like it going to be fun as all hell. God so what if the damn thing doesn't follow your self imposed rules of how Space Marines act in the sci-fi fantasy world of Warhammer 40k.
Maybe we should also complain that they're not meditating/in prayer for hours on end in the middle of the thing as well. Since Space Marines do that alot too.
As long as they're not prancing around like ballet dancers and using the power of diplomacy over a cup of tea to settle their differences while riding on ponies. The fact that a combat squad of Space Marines are using weapons that Space Marines use is perfectly acceptable to me. And, quite frankly, should be acceptable to anyone else that enjoys the 40k universe.
Trve
· 6 months ago
This. I think it looks awesome.
Its supposed to be an action rpg too (kind of like Diablo Id imagine), and those mindless hack n slash games are perfect for a space marine game.
Forhekset
· 6 months ago
It's nothing like Diablo, it's an action game.
Anon
· 6 months ago
Looks more like Dynasty Warriors.
Myu
· 6 months ago
"Im not digging how that small group of Marines if destroying a whole waagh in close combat."
You realize that marines story-wise are meant to be a like a bazzilion times better then they are in game right? Remember BS4, WS4 etc means they hit and wound all the time in real life :P Not just 2/3 or 1/2 the time..
melissia
· 3 months ago
BL books are equivalent to imperial propoganda. In truth, Astartes are powerful-- of this there is no doubt-- but not gods upon the battlefield.
Chuck
· 6 months ago
a) It's not Warhammer 40k by the tabletop rules. It's a video game.
b) It's a video game called "Space Marine." Guess who'll be the most badass?
c) The 40k fiction is practically all about Space Marines killing enormous swaths of enemies that would pose huge problems for them in tabletop.
d) Space Marines rule. Orks can suck it.
BlackKnight15624
· 6 months ago
You're welcome.
Ironhalo
· 6 months ago
FPS? RTS? Who knows?
RexScarlet
· 6 months ago
I read NOT FPS...
More like Hand to Hand and "moves" like WWF games.
Have you seen it, the areas/worlds/levels are amazing!
Big Jim
· 6 months ago
It's a third person shooter.
Madjob
· 6 months ago
They've explicitly described it as an action-rpg.
Mike X
· 6 months ago
Yeah but if you watch the gameplay video, you'll see it's a third person shooter, similar to Gears of War. Not my thing.
Madjob
· 6 months ago
What, the old 9 minute demonstration that is not at all indicative of what the game is like now because it was being developed by a completely different team at the time?
Even then, 3rd person shooter would have been a misclassification, because your gun COULDN'T DO ANYTHING BUT STUN THE ENEMY.
TJX
· 6 months ago
Well then go back to your World of Warcrack or Hello Kitty online then! There was clearly enough melee combat in that trailer to show than this is going to be much more interesting features than Gears of War.
For the WAAAGGG!!!
· 6 months ago
Similar to God of War?
Tom
· 6 months ago
God of War style, I'd imagine.
Hoplophile
· 6 months ago
It's "God of War 40k" with boltguns that shoot like sissy mp5s....
I hope they corrected that last bit because bolters fire 0.75 calibre MASS-REACTIVE EXPLOSIVE PENETRATING ROUNGS, ARGGHHH C'MON! how hard is it to get that right?
not modern day 9mm slugs.....
TSINI
· 6 months ago
u forgot the boltgun rounds are rocket propelled!
seriously that would hurt like hell
they should be more like the ones in that old inquisitor film, like a modern day tank cannon, lol, but much more rapid rate of fire :)
Big Jim
· 6 months ago
Looks Kool! It's great to see the "Movie Marines" get a video game!
shadow puppet
· 6 months ago
yay movie marines! that game looks so much better than the original first look. I may actually get that game now.
Madjob
· 6 months ago
I'm glad to see this title in capable hands. The alpha demonstration was laughable with it's overuse of buzz words like 'CINEMACTION' or 'BALLAD OF DEATH' and poor gameplay concepts (guns that don't actually do anything but 'stun' the enemy long enough for you to get in close and finish them with a single strike? No thanks.)
Relic seems to have a much better direction to take the game in, I think it's looking great and am looking forward to hear more about it at E3.
Oh, and before there's a plethora of complaints about the featured chapter being Ultramarines and not something else, supposedly they're a 'placeholder' chapter until Relic decides which one they want to be the main focus. I just hope it isn't Blood Ravens again...
4thCompanyMasterCorvus
· 6 months ago
Maybe they will make there own chapter again... Hmmm or they could use a more minor chapter that is rarely used like Crimson Fists as it is against orks trying to take a world and there were not many marines with Pedro when he came back to take the ruins of his fortress?
Justen Hunter
· 6 months ago
Ho. Ly. Crap! Hummana hummana. This looks absolutely beautiful. It's the smurfs, yea, but maybe they're Sicarius's marines(we know who the cool one is). It still looks beautiful, and I can't wait to get it.
TSINI
· 6 months ago
somehow i stumbled accross this yesterday, i didnt realise it was new news until today lol
looks really cool, and if you don't get why the marines are so tough in this game, its because thats how tough marines really are supposed to be, fluffwise. they couldnt be that tough in the tabletop game or it would be boring for the players.
i'm imagining gears of war, with less "chest high walls" (Zero Punctuation reference there) and some squad commands to allow you to get the heavy bolters shooting in the right direction etc
they'll probably make the power armour system like halo's, i.e too much damage overloads it and you have to find cover to replenish.
looks real cool though, i wonder how long it will take them toget it tidied up ready for sale?
TSINI
· 6 months ago
oo in addition to the squad commands, it will need much much more close combat abilities than GOW
theyre gonna need more buttons...
Macfeegle
· 6 months ago
Looks like a DOW 2 expansion pack to me rather than a new game.
It is looking like it'll be co-op though - which is nice for those players who have friends... =)
the david
· 6 months ago
The game is a third person perspective action shooter. You play one Marine and just like in doom.
Macfeegle
· 6 months ago
@the david...
...I've only watched the trailer here, and it looks to me just like DOW2 except with one man rather than a squad.
Thanks for basically repeating other posters comments as a reply to mine though.
Fenty
· 6 months ago
I think the graphics are too high res and detailed for DoW II. Granted, it's got similar post processing effects and colour schemes, but that's about it imo.
Looks like this could be a pretty awesome game too, although it'd be nice if they got a decent writer in to really squeeze something interesting out of the 40k fluff. Too many Bald Muhreens gets dull after a while.
Also just wait, I bet there'll be Chaos in it at some point.
Anon
· 6 months ago
What? Dawn of War is an RTS.... this is obviously not.
Macfeegle
· 6 months ago
Dawn of War is an RTS. Dawn of War 2..well what was that? Compare the trailer for that to this and the differences appear very minimal.
Guy with Jump pack...check Guy with hammer...check Guy with Heavy Bolter...check check check...
Hmmm...Seemed an obvious link to me.
I'm not disputing that this may be a great game, I was commenting, and I think I was pretty clear, that from the trailer the game appeared very similar to DOW2.
Madjob
· 6 months ago
It's very likely you won't control all of the Marines at once, if you control more than one at all, like in an RTS. You play as one of the Marines and you're backed up by the rest. It seems Relic is planning for multiplayer and/or co-op so it's possibly those other Marines could be picked up by fellow players.
It's very different from an RTS or even a skirmish scale game like Dawn of War, because you ARE the Space Marine, not an invisible force guiding 15 at once.
Macfeegle
· 6 months ago
@Madjob... Thanks for once again pointing out something that was already in the comments.
For the final time, I said from the trailer (and comparing it to the DOW2 trailer) it looked similar to DOW2.
Before anyone wishes to explain how you play an RTS or FPS or Action RPG...or even what the initials stand for, just think I better let you know that I know what they are and what the differences are.
Once again, I was making an observation about how similar they appeared. Clearly it was only to me, and not to the rest of the populace at large.
I stand ultimately corrected for my poor observation skills, and now head to the isolation chamber.
Eric E
· 6 months ago
Well, they can "look" similiar all they want, but the ENTIRE general public seems to think that this game feels and will probably play entirely different.
Thanks for playing though.
Macfeegle
· 6 months ago
@Eric E.. Well I bow to the ENTIRE general public of their impression of an as yet unreleased game.
If you notice, I never mentioned how I thought it would play, only how it looked.
Thanks for coming and see you at E3.
SM
· 6 months ago
Nah, I got what you mean, man.
It looked a lot like DOW2 because DOW2 featured such a small squad of spacemarines, with the same weapons (Thunderhammer, heavy bolter, ect, like you were saying), and the scenery looked similar.
The overall look of the trailer was DOW2-esque .
Macfeegle
· 6 months ago
Ah, so I am not insane! he he he ee..ahem
bluesfart
· 6 months ago
It's not. A different company developed it independently as a 3rd person action game (I'm guessing for consoles). They eventually sold the code and assets to relic who has given it their own tweaks.
I'm picturing Dynasty Warriors or Total Warrior, like others have already mentioned.
kafkadreams
· 6 months ago
I agree that It does look like a DOW 2 mod. Sure there has to be a slew of new code to turn a RTS into an action/rpg brawler but the preview looks like it's rendering in the DOW 2 engine, ergo DOW 2 mod.
Macfeegle
· 6 months ago
@SM & @Kafkadreams
Thanks guys for seeing what I saw in it as well. I was amazed at the response to what I saw to be an innocent observation, so it was nice to finally see that I wasn't alone...in a minority surely, but not alone! =)
mordiano
· 6 months ago
If i recall correctly Doom was in 1st person... just after Wolfenstein..
Kriegfreak
· 6 months ago
Looks like they were working on this instead of making DoW2 as good or better than DoW. The game looks like a neat change though. If it gets more people into the Warhammer hobby I'm all for it though.
Doc Kill
· 6 months ago
There was an article on IGN on this video yesterday, and apparently Relic has made room for an office/studio/division(I don't know what it would be called) devoted entirely to the development of console games. So hopefully they will also be working on DoW2 patches as well.
Capn_Stoogey
· 6 months ago
They should keep the Ultramarines! They always get overlooked for the flashy fancy pants chapters.
Trve
· 6 months ago
What? Are you honestly saying that GW's posterboys get overlooked?
blackknight
· 6 months ago
Ultras get far more than their share of attention from GW. It's just that many of the actual Marine players tend to overlook Ultramarines because they are just kinda...lame. At least in comparison to other chapters. Personally, I think that if GW didn't baby them so much, they would get more respect.
Brother_Marius
· 6 months ago
Errr being that this is a video game.... the only times that the Ultras have surfaced anywhere in them as a primary players has been Chaos Gate and So why don't we just back off the whiny girl band wagon a bit eh? 'Waaaaaah GW likes Ultramarines"... here's a clue... which chapter was shown in a magazine in full tabletop readiness? That's right... the Ultramarines. And this was 2nd ed days, before the emo marines and the 'I cut myself' boys were the whiny gits I hear from now. Don't be a sit-down-to-pee-hate-it-because-its-popular turd chewer, kids. The Ultras have history with GW, most other chapters have nothing even close. "Actual" marine players don't whine... they play.
Madjob
· 6 months ago
They were the central focus of the handheld Warhammer 40k game that came out a couple years ago.
LEGION3000
· 6 months ago
Wow you could not be more misinformed if you tried. Ultras have been in 4 games I can think of off the top of my head. Chaos gate, Final Liberation, Fire Warrior AND whatever that PSP game was called. Not to mention they are an option in Dawn of War. I don't know of any other marine chapter that comes even close to the exposure of the Smurfs.
Brother_Marius
· 6 months ago
Oh please, Firewarrior? I thought they killed that mess after it tanked. Ultras were a plot point... last I checked it was a Fishhead that was the main start. Final Liberation was that new one I forgot... but you're also forgetting that massively failed Dark Angels shooter, two versions of space hulk, Dawn of War through how many expansions?
Molochi
· 6 months ago
Way to show your colours "Calgar" ;)
The Ultramarines do NOT have this glorious history that you claim. Go look at the original Rogue Trader book. That's right, those are Crimson Fists on the cover. In 2nd edition, you know who was on the cover of Codex Imperialis? The Blood Angels. They did get a Codex in 2nd, but so did Space Wolves, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, etc.
"Actual" marine players... Don't play Ultrasmurfs.
Brother_Marius
· 6 months ago
Spoken like a noob. Chapters were color schemes in RT, so you're sadly mistaken. The Ultras are the only chapter that is entirely represented in tabletop form, Warhammer World might even have em still.
Second... seriously, do we need to play the pedigree game? I've been Ultramarines since RT. Codex Imperialis... seriously? the Second ed placeholder? Are you kidding me? Again... clueless. Since you're so far to talk RT, the Compendium had Ultras on the cover, the Compilation had Blood Angels... again GW didnt have a poster boy chapter until about halfway through second. That was when they became the poster child army. Ultras do indeed have their history, sadly some of us out there don't know it.
Actual marine players aren't whiney twits.
bitey
· 6 months ago
chill out, its just a game man. This whole argument has gone from people complaining that their chapter didnt get enough love, now you are all saying your chapter is better because it gets lots!
as previously said, chill out
Capn_Stoogey
· 6 months ago
My first chapter was Blood angels, then I played Space wolves, but after a while i moved on to Ultramarines because I wanted to try different tactical combinations, instead of just grabbing something sharp and running at the ememy...
Capn_Stoogey
· 6 months ago
Okay, maybe that was not totally right, and maybe I'm just a big fan, I guess I just meant video game wise.
UltramarineFan
· 6 months ago
yeah it's kinda odd when you play a game based on warhammer and find that there isn't an option for ultras. It's warhammer! There's always an option for ultras! The problem is that by putting so much attention into the ultras most people don't like them. When you look around you see that there are lots of marine players but not nearly as many ultramarine players as you would think. On the plus side we get a new codex for every edition, a ton of fluff, so much recently that it might as well have been an 'ultramarines and others' codex. As well as getting most of the love from GW. You win some, you lose some.
bluesfart
· 6 months ago
Black Templars or Blood Angels would be far more interesting for a close combat brawler game
nick
· 6 months ago
here's hoping they go for one of the purged chapters from the beginning of time. Firehawks or Rainbow Warriors would both be awesome to see on screen.
Okay, in a more serious frame of mind, I could see one of the more obscure chapters getting some love, like Nova Marines, or another chapter with nice colours, but with hardly any background.
tragic comedy
· 6 months ago
its dynasty warriors 40k.
Anon
· 6 months ago
Yes! I have a love hate relationship with that series. It is so repetitive but so enjoyable.
LEGION3000
· 6 months ago
Same here. The kingdoms variants are a lot of fun with a little strategy thrown in.
Laibros
· 6 months ago
I hope they will not screw it up like DOW II. DOW II missed all stuff which makes game a good game. In-game cutscene, story, good level design, plot twists etc. I've expected something like Warcraft III Frozen Throne etc.. WSM game is RPG and I'm being a little bit sceptic when I look back on DoW II and its quality even if it was strategy with RPG elements. Action RPG is for example Mass Effect, not GOW which is pure action game.
Barjack
· 6 months ago
Oh sweet mother of the god emperor i just wet my self with genetically enhanced superhuman excitement. EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEee (me squeeling like a little schoolgirl who just found out she got a puppy for christmas.) SO MUST PEORDER THIS NOW!
ps. thunder hammer with jumpack that seems pretty damn awesome now if only i could take that for the cheap.
DAKKA DAKKA CHAINSWORD AHHHHH THE BLOOD!!!!
Koi
· 6 months ago
I thought the 40k Space Marine brawler game looked way more fun then this.
Myu
· 6 months ago
Looks good to me
CoatedTrout
· 6 months ago
The ultramarines are placeholders, guys ;)
BlackKnight15624
· 6 months ago
I sincerely hope that's not true. I need to see some shiny blue armor on screen!
Darn Blood Ravens...
UltramarineFan
· 6 months ago
bah. bah. I think if I watch that again then my head will explode...oh, what the hell, let's go for it! That looks absolutely awesome, let's hope they have the option to play as ultramarines but that it's not forced upon you.
davey80y
· 6 months ago
looks like its going to be like Dynasty Warriors to me not sure thats a good thing :-(
/d/ave
· 6 months ago
Wait, was that a lance strike at the end? Glad to see they finally got those right.
Grotzooka
· 6 months ago
AMEN. No more "Hi, please shoot from orbit this single guy standing 5 feet in front of me!" Now it's "Oi! Drop a veritable nuke in this general area and try to hit something with it while we stand a good mile off."
Dajanitor
· 6 months ago
i hope this game goes to PC. I dont want to buy a 360.... =( *sigh* *gets to saving*
Forhekset
· 6 months ago
Not happy with the directions Relic are taking. DOW2 was their first game that I actually didn't like - and their first game that wasn't groundbreakingly fantastic.
They used to be the gods of RTS, now they're doing "RPG" flavoured action games. I'd rather have Homeworld 3 then another few bad 40k games.
"It's all about contant war and having fun smashing things". It's actually not, you know. How about an intellgent Inquisitor RPG, or if you wanna do war, a huge scale game like Battlefield, instead of the equivilent of a crappy Ben Counter action novel. Saying it has a rich backstory and then making a generic shooter featuring a handful of Marines taking on the universe is dumb.
Relic used to have vision.
Forhekset
· 6 months ago
By the way I'm making these comments more from a gaming point of view rather than a 40k fanboy, though I of course am. :)
Poochute
· 6 months ago
LOL. Creating one of the most revolutionary RTS-styled games in years... yet they lack vision? Better that than regurge the same old RTS style.
Forhekset
· 6 months ago
DOW2 revolutionary? I don't think so. That kind of game format is decades old. Plus it was executed very poorly, which in the end is what counts.
Look at Homeworld, Dawn of War and Company of Heroes to a lesser extent and you'll see vision. They all introduced distinct qualities that made them legendary. DOW2 was just a huge step sideways, and backwards as far as I'm concerned. I don't even know why they called it DOW2, the only thing it has in common is 40k.
Those other RTS may be just evolving on the tried and true standard RTS formula, but they refined it to such an extent as to make those games revolutionary to the entire genre. Legendary even. And they did it very, very well.
I don't see anyone copying or learning from DOW2 in any shape or form. There's a difference between just repeating the past and perfecting it. DOW2 was a substandard attempt at a new way of doing things, rather than further refining and building on the winning formula they already had.
Though the game did very well and was no doubt a commercial success, so nothing I can say will change the fact that apparently it was 'good'. I just think they should of at least called it something else and then given us the real DOW2.
Daniel Victor Hill
· 6 months ago
I think they tried something new and a majority didn't like it. Like The Smashing Pumpkins Adore album. It was different, which means it could have gone either way.
LEGION3000
· 6 months ago
The difference is there is people who play games for fun and there is people who, I don't know the correct term, absorb them.
For anyone who just plays the game, DoW 2 was great. Relic gets their money and the player is entertained for a few days then moves on. Nobody has to think real hard and replay isn't so much an issue. Its a disposable game.
For the second type of player, we like to play the game one way, then play it another way, then a third, fourth, fifth etc. And with really tremendously good games you can do this. Homeworld, Dow, Company of heroes, Any game named Total War. You can play these games nearly forever and every time there is something new and awesome about them. DoW2 didn't have this special something. Hack and slash games almost NEVER have it, even rpg ones.
The problem for game companies is exceptional games may get played forever, but they only get your money one time. So there is no real incentive to make the exceptional game when they can spend way less time on a flashy one that gets the same cash with far less development.
Hoplophile
· 6 months ago
That was one of the best comments so far.
Relic had the good sense to make ~some~ steadyflow money on the DoW expansions, but that only goes so far until the well dries up. Sooner of later, gamers want a new engine to gawk at, particularly the casual gamers who look for the next new shiny thing.
For fans of the original DoW, there is always the possibility of playing your old classic over and over again (Unless you tire of the graphics, in which case, how much ~do~ you like the game?)
But if truth be told, I'd rather see the 40k IP in Relic's hands than any other development box.
kafkadreams
· 6 months ago
DOW 2 was far from revolutionary. The squad based RTS lite was done years before in the Commando games. Gameplay elements were changed, like squad leaders being imortal and interesting objectives being replaced with a chipper-shredder land grab, but the basic concept wasn't new.
Not saying that it was a bad game, just that it wasn't exceptional.
bluesfart
· 6 months ago
There was a different senior designer on DoW and DoWII. I heard through a friend that the original designer was not too excited about the changes they made.
dizzy
· 6 months ago
looks pretty cool. :)
Omach
· 6 months ago
The game looks in fact pretty much like a spin off of DoW 2 for consoles. Now even more(=completly) focused an single Characters. It's not a a Tac squad, but some greater Heroes of chapter who smash lots of orks and so on. The preview on IGN mentions Weapon Slots and Ability-Bars. Soundsvery much like DoW2 too. I think gameplay will be like Titan Quest or Diablo but with full 3D, so that you can rotate and zoom in to watch how these orks are cut into pieces. It's not a FPS. Could be real fun to play in coop with some friends and watch movie marines in action, but isn't that innovative as some other people already pointed out.
Madjob
· 6 months ago
They've mentioned repeatedly that the camera perspective is behind the shoulder or possibly a little further back similar to Resident Evil 4/5, Lost Planet, Gears of War, etc. Someone in one of the interviews out now even came out and said to Relic before they saw the gameplay they were expecting more of an isometric Diablo-esque affair, and they were very quick to correct him that they had never really considered that sort of camera system for the game.
Lagduf
· 6 months ago
If this doesn't have co-operative play it will be full of lose.
TSINI
· 6 months ago
yes, multiplayer and
just spitting ideas here...
full chapter customization so you can represent your own chapter online :D
thefauxjew
· 6 months ago
Thats what I was thinking Omach.
BeastOfShadow
· 6 months ago
You have to give them credit for taking some old rules and throwing them in there eg Thunder Hammer smashing the ground
Khorneguy
· 6 months ago
Oh my god, this looks amazing. Looking at that trailer, you unlock more weapons as th game goes on (at the start of the traoler, the Thunder Hammer guy didn't have a jump pack.). I'm liking this a lot. Any idea when this is going to be out yet? as i'll probably need to buy a next-gen console to play it
I'd rather they didn't use Ultramarines though, seeing as there are far cooler chapters out there with a history against the orks (crimson fists, raven guard, etc).
Shane
· 6 months ago
OMFG, I now need a new pair of pants.
Kveld-Ulf
· 6 months ago
If you look at the Ork Warboss in the closing sequence, it's a direct port from DoW II just with extra polys. Likewise some of the ork skins are direct rips from DoW II with up-details.
Hopefully they'll go for another chapter other than Blood Ravens if the Ultrasmurfs are just placeholders.
The small squad could be made pheasable if they were perhaps the bodyguard to the Force commander or even a squad of vets operating behind enemy lines. Hopefully you'll get a feel that there are other marines operating on the planet to justify the feel and not make it so 4 marines save the planet. Even for Movie Marines, that's a bit over the top, lets face it.
DoW II felt like your men got lost on the way to the big fight. Lets hope this doesn't go futher down that route...
Forhekset
· 6 months ago
Considering in DOW2 like 4-6 guys manage to destroy an entire splinter fleet as well as half a Craftworld of Eldar and afew bazillion Orks... I don't think they really care how many marines can realistic take on whatever. Doesn't matter to them.
Molochi
· 6 months ago
Ughh. Yeah. Please, no more Ultrasmurfs or Bland Ravens.
I'd be much happier with Raven Guard, Crimson Fists, Black Templar, Dark Angels.. anyone who isn't Ultramarine blue or bright red.
SM
· 6 months ago
Hey, it happened in [I]Brothers of the Snake[/I], and that was just 1 movie marine! (and he was a member of a tactical squad!)
Joe Wright
· 6 months ago
Oh yeah. Come to daddy. This looks like its going to be a fun ass game.
I just peed myself a little....WOW. Gamespot does not have the video, but seems to think console only. Which would suck for me :(
BlackKnight15624
· 6 months ago
About time the Ultramarines get some video game love!
I was beginning to get tired of the Blood Ravens and their "We don't know our daddy" issues.
Fat Nerd
· 6 months ago
Same. I don't get people who hate things because they're popular just to sound edgy. If a majority of players made the marine codex, all the fluff would be about Dark Angels. And for those complaining about 4 marines wading through a mob of 10 orks?
"Send me 100 Space Marines. Failing that, send me 1000 guardsmen".
If Marines matched their power in the fluff, then they would cost 50 points each and you wouldn't be able to take anything but a tactical squad.
Molochi
· 6 months ago
This would be because Dark Angels are actually an interesting chapter and not a bunch of chiseled jaw, perfect teeth, hair-blowing-in-the-wind poster boys. That and Ultramarines don't have fluff. They have propaganda. ;)
TSINI
· 6 months ago
Ultramarines
AAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWW YEAAAHH!!
(your experience may differ)
Pattonsaur
· 6 months ago
Yeah, sure, save from the part that nowadays they're losing their intrigue and turning in the Dan Brown Marines with secrets, orders and searches of secrets for the holy secrecy of the emperah!, it is and interesting army...
Grim
· 6 months ago
Gawd sake get back to the minis they last longer and more fun in the end .... mind u wouldnt mind them making a 40k movie
Madjob
· 6 months ago
"Warhammer 40,000 and Fantasy News, Miniatures, Tactics and Opinion"
Seems to fit to me, and BoLS only ever delivers on the 'news' aspect of 40k video games, so I think you're being maybe a little premature in your complaints.
biztheclown
· 6 months ago
Withholding judgment here. Too much of that looks like cut scene stuff and not enough game play footage to be able to tell how it will really be.
Popcornicus
· 6 months ago
A 40k game like this needs to exist. I've been hoping for one a long time. I'm hoping one of the sequels will feature epic battles with tanks and superheavies fighting while you scamper around the battlefield as leader of an elite unit, taking care of special tasks as they're given to you (e.g. blow up a Titan, kill so-and-so HQ who just emerged from the Warp). The 40k universe really has the potential to do a Dynasty Warriors game better than Dynasty Warriors. Especially if planting melta bombs on a tank was actually nerve-wracking and dangerous.
Forhekset
· 6 months ago
If it resembles Dynasty Warriors in anyway it'll be a one dimensional experience where you hack billions of men to death with the same combo for hours at a time.
Not a good idea.
There's a cinematic quality that everyone seems to desire which will never be achieved, especially not in the game formats they appear to want them in. Arcade is arcade.
Bradley Wiggins
· 6 months ago
Is anyone else going to be at E3?
I'm crossing my fingers that they have something playable.
DelphicFist
· 6 months ago
Didn't read the whole thread..don't have the time. However with regard to the chapter choice I think they could have done better.
I mean since they are fighting Orks make it the Death Watch. Then people can choose what chapter their character is from and have the one shoulder pad change accordingly.
I'd rather not play Ultra Marines.
Madjob
· 6 months ago
A shame you hadn't read the whole thread, the answer to your complaint is in there several times. In case you end up looking for your post later, I'll help you out.
Ultramarines are, according to Relic, a 'placeholder' chapter for now. They haven't said much more than that, but it implies the final game will focus on a different Chapter.
Son of Dorn
· 6 months ago
It won't be Imperial Fists, because no console forged by the hand of man could handle that much bad-ass-awesomeness.
So it'll be some other chapter. I'll bet money that it won't be a first founding chapter, or even one we've ever heard of unless it's the Blood Ravens.
It's another burden (like painting a whole army yellow) that the Sons of Dorn bear with pride. After a week in the pain glove (AKA painting a whole army yellow) you get used to playing second fiddle to everyone else.
Although a video game that featured the Space Sharks would be pretty damn awesome too.
Popcornicus
· 6 months ago
I'm hoping Black Templars or Blood Angels for the close combat focus.
Old_Paladin
· 6 months ago
I'm hoping that we've come far enough with technology that you can play you're choice of like 40-50 different common chapters.
Really, how hard is it to program the text to say, "On the planet (blah), the Space Marines of the [insert chosen group] chapter, blah, blah, blah..."
Then in game play, give everyone names, but never verbally refer back to the chapter; or even put in an extra 300 one-liners, so the cut-scene that ends right as they charge into combat says things like "For Dorn!" or "For the Khan!" or "In the name of the Great Wolf!" etc. depending on your chapter selection.
Arachne
· 6 months ago
Whether its realistic to the game or not - that trailer is sheer awesome (and im an ork player) !!!!!! :D
Old_Paladin
· 6 months ago
I can't help but laugh at the number of people that say it is unrealistic that 4, seven-to-eight foot tall, genetically enhanced, warrior-monks, armed with 19mm RPG's and hydrollic-powered armour and decades of direct combat time; would have trouble killing lots of stuff.
But, by god, they love to play Doom, Wulfenstein, etc. where a single person can shoot up thousands of enemies. Or Halo, how many 10's of thousand of grunts, Elites and Flood have to shot, clubbed, exploded, slashed, hammered, set on fire, etc. and had a great (unquestioning) time? But Space Marines... those guys are unrealistic... I don't think they could actually do that... yeah...
TJX
· 6 months ago
Could people plese STOP comparing this to DYNASTY WARRIORS?? It's almost as annoying as when people say that 40k is a ripoff of Starcraft! First of all there's no such thing as BOLTERS or ORKS WITH GUNS in a game that was set in Ancient China! And I'm pretty sure there were no levels that took place in futuristic cityscapes as well.
That, and Dynasty Warriors is a lame series of games of beign with. So teh only ones making comparisons to this lame game are gamers who've played and for some reason enjoyed playing these lame games.
Zijan
· 6 months ago
not to beat a dead horse, but you do know that starcraft was rumored to be based off of 40k and not the other way around.
I do believe that the comparison to dynasty warriors is in the game play and not the time period. I hope people are intelligent enough to spot the difference between a bow and a bolter.
(I assume there were bows in dynasty warriors ... i've never played the game)
Bradley Wiggins
· 6 months ago
regardless, the game-play resembles it very closely even if the visual aesthetics are different.
Molochi
· 6 months ago
Except there WAS Dynasty Warriors Gundam. Which invalidates everything you just said. QED. As the math majors say.
It's looking like Dynasty Warriors. Deal with it, cupcake.
TJX
· 6 months ago
I stand by my opinion that Dynasty Warriors is a lame series of games.
DelphicFist
· 6 months ago
Madjob:
Actually I read that part but wasn't sure if it was true. Very cool.
Deathwatch would be my choice...Black Templars or Dark Angels a close second.
OldPaladin: Heheh good observation.
Bradley Wiggins
· 6 months ago
I know that allegedly "Ultramarines are placeholder" but that poster artwork features the Ultra-marines. This makes me inclined to believe that you have the option of choosing the color or chapter of your troops but it defaults to ultra. I'd be very surprised if they made this marketing art featuring ultra marines if it instead featured say Blood Ravens.
seeing the 4 customized characters is making me think of Brute Force for the xbox ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brute_Force_(video...) ) It's an awful game, but you have 4 players working cooperatively. One player controls one character, but can switch which he controls while the computer controls the others. There was also the option to have all 4 controlled by humans. Imagining something similar for Space Marine has got me pretty excited.
Word_Bearer
· 6 months ago
I think that I just spluged on myself...
This is so awesome it goes beyond words!
Sucube
· 6 months ago
Hi everyone ^^ i just tought you all were right but if you think for a while it kinda takes me back to this famous "Movie marine codex" that was released in WD number ... (srry forgot the number)... the WD released the same month as DoW... do u remember? From a personal point of view i think this i just great. An other way to consider SM! If this can be played multi it will certainly be epic!!! Just can't wait.
Bob
· 6 months ago
Why no love for the Wii?
Sasquatch1916
· 6 months ago
enough with the smurfs already. I want to use MY army(Space Wolves) in this game. They have so much more variety than Ultramarines and the fiction behind them is better. Space Wolves, Salamanders, Imperial Fists, ANYTHING BUT Smurfs or Dark Angels!
Grimskul25
· 6 months ago
Oh dear lord not Space Marines beatin the pudding out of Orks again! Could they chane the villains to someone else, I know Orks are pretty easy and plausable to use bu they get beat on all the time, it'd be more interesting if instead the SM were infiltrating a Chaos-corrupted world and were trying to fight their way through cultists and traitors to their Chaos Lord or maybe even a Daemon Prince :D I find that more....flavourful
TJX
· 6 months ago
I wish people would take the time to actually READ the articles related to this upcoming game. In IGN it states that other xenos where spotted in the gameplay demo. The Dawn of War games never stuck to just one alien race so what makes anyone think it's going to be any different in this game?
Riss
· 6 months ago
Erm........ excuse me whilst I got get a pack of cleanex xD
Seriously this games looks sweet (need to save up to get the bloody console first though *grumble*) Still SO. MUCH. WIN.
Robocarullo
· 6 months ago
Cmon you picky nerds get your head out of your rulebooks!!! Do you really think that someone is going to make a game and worry about little details such as who can have what weapons, "they don't just hand out Thunder Hammers" etc.....
Let's be a little realistic here they want the game to look cool for the MASS MARKET.
The story of a small squad of specially equipped soldiers severely outnumbered and triumphing against the odds is nothing new for video games or movies. Maybe you should look on the bright side and be glad that they even made it and it will bring more people into the tabletop hobby.
TJX
· 6 months ago
QFT!! Couldnt have said it better myself. Just sit back, enjoy the trailer, and pray to the Emperor that this will be a kick ass game!
the asian
· 5 months ago
I just love the the fact Relic is making a game genre that got bash like no-other by English speaking critics. No matter how bad IGN or Gamespot bash them, the Dynasty Warrior game play is popular and it sales. I am expecting this, just not from relic, who always make games base on critic rating ;p
Twisted100
· 5 months ago
Im going to take a guess here but im thinking its an rpg version of gears of war were you start out as a tac squad sgt.(fenix) and you have some marines run around with you(dom & cole) upgrading everyone as you progress(thunder hammer, jump pack, heavy bolter ect.)
dom
· 5 months ago
holy *)^% .......yes yes yes yes happy happy joy joy
Chris
· 5 months ago
so is this game going to be mainly featuring the Ultramarines or will it have a chapter selection (or make your own?) feature?
Chris
· 5 months ago
and one more thing.... wheres my Space Wolves (space puppies!)? Wheres myblood thirsty/glory seeking/ stubborn Blood Claws at? and i really do hope they crank up the gritty dark gothic styled universe instead of something that's pacified to a pg-13/R raiting... i would love to see an AO rated warhammer 40k game
All Comments
I thought a chapters armory does not simply handout thunder-hammers to just anyone.
In the frames around 0:47, the thunderhammer guy has an imbellished golden eagle for one shoulderpad, and gold scaling for the other (not showing tactical squad marks).
Also Iron Hands and Sallamanders like to twack things with hammers, as do the Space Wolves...
Maybe we should also complain that they're not meditating/in prayer for hours on end in the middle of the thing as well. Since Space Marines do that alot too.
As long as they're not prancing around like ballet dancers and using the power of diplomacy over a cup of tea to settle their differences while riding on ponies. The fact that a combat squad of Space Marines are using weapons that Space Marines use is perfectly acceptable to me. And, quite frankly, should be acceptable to anyone else that enjoys the 40k universe.
Its supposed to be an action rpg too (kind of like Diablo Id imagine), and those mindless hack n slash games are perfect for a space marine game.
You realize that marines story-wise are meant to be a like a bazzilion times better then they are in game right? Remember BS4, WS4 etc means they hit and wound all the time in real life :P Not just 2/3 or 1/2 the time..
b) It's a video game called "Space Marine." Guess who'll be the most badass?
c) The 40k fiction is practically all about Space Marines killing enormous swaths of enemies that would pose huge problems for them in tabletop.
d) Space Marines rule. Orks can suck it.
More like Hand to Hand and "moves" like WWF games.
Have you seen it, the areas/worlds/levels are amazing!
Even then, 3rd person shooter would have been a misclassification, because your gun COULDN'T DO ANYTHING BUT STUN THE ENEMY.
I hope they corrected that last bit because bolters fire
0.75 calibre MASS-REACTIVE EXPLOSIVE PENETRATING ROUNGS, ARGGHHH C'MON! how hard is it to get that right?
not modern day 9mm slugs.....
seriously that would hurt like hell
they should be more like the ones in that old inquisitor film, like a modern day tank cannon, lol, but much more rapid rate of fire :)
Relic seems to have a much better direction to take the game in, I think it's looking great and am looking forward to hear more about it at E3.
Oh, and before there's a plethora of complaints about the featured chapter being Ultramarines and not something else, supposedly they're a 'placeholder' chapter until Relic decides which one they want to be the main focus. I just hope it isn't Blood Ravens again...
looks really cool, and if you don't get why the marines are so tough in this game, its because thats how tough marines really are supposed to be, fluffwise. they couldnt be that tough in the tabletop game or it would be boring for the players.
i'm imagining gears of war, with less "chest high walls" (Zero Punctuation reference there) and some squad commands to allow you to get the heavy bolters shooting in the right direction etc
they'll probably make the power armour system like halo's, i.e too much damage overloads it and you have to find cover to replenish.
looks real cool though, i wonder how long it will take them toget it tidied up ready for sale?
theyre gonna need more buttons...
It is looking like it'll be co-op though - which is nice for those players who have friends... =)
...I've only watched the trailer here, and it looks to me just like DOW2 except with one man rather than a squad.
Thanks for basically repeating other posters comments as a reply to mine though.
Looks like this could be a pretty awesome game too, although it'd be nice if they got a decent writer in to really squeeze something interesting out of the 40k fluff. Too many Bald Muhreens gets dull after a while.
Also just wait, I bet there'll be Chaos in it at some point.
Dawn of War 2..well what was that? Compare the trailer for that to this and the differences appear very minimal.
Guy with Jump pack...check
Guy with hammer...check
Guy with Heavy Bolter...check check check...
Hmmm...Seemed an obvious link to me.
I'm not disputing that this may be a great game, I was commenting, and I think I was pretty clear, that from the trailer the game appeared very similar to DOW2.
It's very different from an RTS or even a skirmish scale game like Dawn of War, because you ARE the Space Marine, not an invisible force guiding 15 at once.
Thanks for once again pointing out something that was already in the comments.
For the final time, I said from the trailer (and comparing it to the DOW2 trailer) it looked similar to DOW2.
Before anyone wishes to explain how you play an RTS or FPS or Action RPG...or even what the initials stand for, just think I better let you know that I know what they are and what the differences are.
Once again, I was making an observation about how similar they appeared. Clearly it was only to me, and not to the rest of the populace at large.
I stand ultimately corrected for my poor observation skills, and now head to the isolation chamber.
Thanks for playing though.
Well I bow to the ENTIRE general public of their impression of an as yet unreleased game.
If you notice, I never mentioned how I thought it would play, only how it looked.
Thanks for coming and see you at E3.
It looked a lot like DOW2 because DOW2 featured such a small squad of spacemarines, with the same weapons (Thunderhammer, heavy bolter, ect, like you were saying), and the scenery looked similar.
The overall look of the trailer was DOW2-esque .
I'm picturing Dynasty Warriors or Total Warrior, like others have already mentioned.
Sure there has to be a slew of new code to turn a RTS into an action/rpg brawler but the preview looks like it's rendering in the DOW 2 engine, ergo DOW 2 mod.
Thanks guys for seeing what I saw in it as well. I was amazed at the response to what I saw to be an innocent observation, so it was nice to finally see that I wasn't alone...in a minority surely, but not alone! =)
So why don't we just back off the whiny girl band wagon a bit eh?
'Waaaaaah GW likes Ultramarines"... here's a clue... which chapter was shown in a magazine in full tabletop readiness? That's right... the Ultramarines. And this was 2nd ed days, before the emo marines and the 'I cut myself' boys were the whiny gits I hear from now. Don't be a sit-down-to-pee-hate-it-because-its-popular turd chewer, kids. The Ultras have history with GW, most other chapters have nothing even close.
"Actual" marine players don't whine... they play.
Final Liberation was that new one I forgot... but you're also forgetting that massively failed Dark Angels shooter, two versions of space hulk, Dawn of War through how many expansions?
The Ultramarines do NOT have this glorious history that you claim.
Go look at the original Rogue Trader book. That's right, those are Crimson Fists on the cover.
In 2nd edition, you know who was on the cover of Codex Imperialis? The Blood Angels.
They did get a Codex in 2nd, but so did Space Wolves, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, etc.
"Actual" marine players... Don't play Ultrasmurfs.
Second... seriously, do we need to play the pedigree game? I've been Ultramarines since RT. Codex Imperialis... seriously? the Second ed placeholder? Are you kidding me? Again... clueless.
Since you're so far to talk RT, the Compendium had Ultras on the cover, the Compilation had Blood Angels... again GW didnt have a poster boy chapter until about halfway through second. That was when they became the poster child army. Ultras do indeed have their history, sadly some of us out there don't know it.
Actual marine players aren't whiney twits.
as previously said, chill out
The problem is that by putting so much attention into the ultras most people don't like them. When you look around you see that there are lots of marine players but not nearly as many ultramarine players as you would think.
On the plus side we get a new codex for every edition, a ton of fluff, so much recently that it might as well have been an 'ultramarines and others' codex. As well as getting most of the love from GW. You win some, you lose some.
Okay, in a more serious frame of mind, I could see one of the more obscure chapters getting some love, like Nova Marines, or another chapter with nice colours, but with hardly any background.
ps. thunder hammer with jumpack that seems pretty damn awesome now if only i could take that for the cheap.
DAKKA DAKKA CHAINSWORD AHHHHH THE BLOOD!!!!
Darn Blood Ravens...
That looks absolutely awesome, let's hope they have the option to play as ultramarines but that it's not forced upon you.
Glad to see they finally got those right.
Now it's "Oi! Drop a veritable nuke in this general area and try to hit something with it while we stand a good mile off."
*sigh*
*gets to saving*
They used to be the gods of RTS, now they're doing "RPG" flavoured action games. I'd rather have Homeworld 3 then another few bad 40k games.
"It's all about contant war and having fun smashing things". It's actually not, you know. How about an intellgent Inquisitor RPG, or if you wanna do war, a huge scale game like Battlefield, instead of the equivilent of a crappy Ben Counter action novel. Saying it has a rich backstory and then making a generic shooter featuring a handful of Marines taking on the universe is dumb.
Relic used to have vision.
Better that than regurge the same old RTS style.
Look at Homeworld, Dawn of War and Company of Heroes to a lesser extent and you'll see vision. They all introduced distinct qualities that made them legendary. DOW2 was just a huge step sideways, and backwards as far as I'm concerned. I don't even know why they called it DOW2, the only thing it has in common is 40k.
Those other RTS may be just evolving on the tried and true standard RTS formula, but they refined it to such an extent as to make those games revolutionary to the entire genre. Legendary even. And they did it very, very well.
I don't see anyone copying or learning from DOW2 in any shape or form. There's a difference between just repeating the past and perfecting it. DOW2 was a substandard attempt at a new way of doing things, rather than further refining and building on the winning formula they already had.
Though the game did very well and was no doubt a commercial success, so nothing I can say will change the fact that apparently it was 'good'. I just think they should of at least called it something else and then given us the real DOW2.
For anyone who just plays the game, DoW 2 was great. Relic gets their money and the player is entertained for a few days then moves on. Nobody has to think real hard and replay isn't so much an issue. Its a disposable game.
For the second type of player, we like to play the game one way, then play it another way, then a third, fourth, fifth etc. And with really tremendously good games you can do this. Homeworld, Dow, Company of heroes, Any game named Total War. You can play these games nearly forever and every time there is something new and awesome about them. DoW2 didn't have this special something.
Hack and slash games almost NEVER have it, even rpg ones.
The problem for game companies is exceptional games may get played forever, but they only get your money one time. So there is no real incentive to make the exceptional game when they can spend way less time on a flashy one that gets the same cash with far less development.
Relic had the good sense to make ~some~ steadyflow money on the DoW expansions, but that only goes so far until the well dries up. Sooner of later, gamers want a new engine to gawk at, particularly the casual gamers who look for the next new shiny thing.
For fans of the original DoW, there is always the possibility of playing your old classic over and over again (Unless you tire of the graphics, in which case, how much ~do~ you like the game?)
But if truth be told, I'd rather see the 40k IP in Relic's hands than any other development box.
Not saying that it was a bad game, just that it wasn't exceptional.
Now even more(=completly) focused an single Characters. It's not a a Tac squad, but some greater Heroes of chapter who smash lots of orks and so on. The preview on IGN mentions Weapon Slots and Ability-Bars. Soundsvery much like DoW2 too.
I think gameplay will be like Titan Quest or Diablo but with full 3D, so that you can rotate and zoom in to watch how these orks are cut into pieces. It's not a FPS.
Could be real fun to play in coop with some friends and watch movie marines in action, but isn't that innovative as some other people already pointed out.
just spitting ideas here...
full chapter customization so you can represent your own chapter online :D
I'd rather they didn't use Ultramarines though, seeing as there are far cooler chapters out there with a history against the orks (crimson fists, raven guard, etc).
Hopefully they'll go for another chapter other than Blood Ravens if the Ultrasmurfs are just placeholders.
The small squad could be made pheasable if they were perhaps the bodyguard to the Force commander or even a squad of vets operating behind enemy lines. Hopefully you'll get a feel that there are other marines operating on the planet to justify the feel and not make it so 4 marines save the planet. Even for Movie Marines, that's a bit over the top, lets face it.
DoW II felt like your men got lost on the way to the big fight. Lets hope this doesn't go futher down that route...
I'd be much happier with Raven Guard, Crimson Fists, Black Templar, Dark Angels.. anyone who isn't Ultramarine blue or bright red.
Fun Ass-game.
:S
Diablo IV: 40k Edition
Seems like a lot of mindless clicking.
Seems like fun!
I was beginning to get tired of the Blood Ravens and their "We don't know our daddy" issues.
"Send me 100 Space Marines. Failing that, send me 1000 guardsmen".
If Marines matched their power in the fluff, then they would cost 50 points each and you wouldn't be able to take anything but a tactical squad.
AAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWW YEAAAHH!!
(your experience may differ)
Seems to fit to me, and BoLS only ever delivers on the 'news' aspect of 40k video games, so I think you're being maybe a little premature in your complaints.
Not a good idea.
There's a cinematic quality that everyone seems to desire which will never be achieved, especially not in the game formats they appear to want them in. Arcade is arcade.
I'm crossing my fingers that they have something playable.
I mean since they are fighting Orks make it the Death Watch. Then people can choose what chapter their character is from and have the one shoulder pad change accordingly.
I'd rather not play Ultra Marines.
Ultramarines are, according to Relic, a 'placeholder' chapter for now. They haven't said much more than that, but it implies the final game will focus on a different Chapter.
So it'll be some other chapter. I'll bet money that it won't be a first founding chapter, or even one we've ever heard of unless it's the Blood Ravens.
It's another burden (like painting a whole army yellow) that the Sons of Dorn bear with pride. After a week in the pain glove (AKA painting a whole army yellow) you get used to playing second fiddle to everyone else.
Although a video game that featured the Space Sharks would be pretty damn awesome too.
Really, how hard is it to program the text to say, "On the planet (blah), the Space Marines of the [insert chosen group] chapter, blah, blah, blah..."
Then in game play, give everyone names, but never verbally refer back to the chapter; or even put in an extra 300 one-liners, so the cut-scene that ends right as they charge into combat says things like "For Dorn!" or "For the Khan!" or "In the name of the Great Wolf!" etc. depending on your chapter selection.
But, by god, they love to play Doom, Wulfenstein, etc. where a single person can shoot up thousands of enemies. Or Halo, how many 10's of thousand of grunts, Elites and Flood have to shot, clubbed, exploded, slashed, hammered, set on fire, etc. and had a great (unquestioning) time? But Space Marines... those guys are unrealistic... I don't think they could actually do that... yeah...
That, and Dynasty Warriors is a lame series of games of beign with. So teh only ones making comparisons to this lame game are gamers who've played and for some reason enjoyed playing these lame games.
I do believe that the comparison to dynasty warriors is in the game play and not the time period. I hope people are intelligent enough to spot the difference between a bow and a bolter.
(I assume there were bows in dynasty warriors ... i've never played the game)
It's looking like Dynasty Warriors. Deal with it, cupcake.
Actually I read that part but wasn't sure if it was true. Very cool.
Deathwatch would be my choice...Black Templars or Dark Angels a close second.
OldPaladin: Heheh good observation.
seeing the 4 customized characters is making me think of Brute Force for the xbox ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brute_Force_(video...) )
It's an awful game, but you have 4 players working cooperatively. One player controls one character, but can switch which he controls while the computer controls the others. There was also the option to have all 4 controlled by humans. Imagining something similar for Space Marine has got me pretty excited.
This is so awesome it goes beyond words!
From a personal point of view i think this i just great. An other way to consider SM! If this can be played multi it will certainly be epic!!! Just can't wait.
Seriously this games looks sweet (need to save up to get the bloody console first though *grumble*) Still SO. MUCH. WIN.
Let's be a little realistic here they want the game to look cool for the MASS MARKET.
The story of a small squad of specially equipped soldiers severely outnumbered and triumphing against the odds is nothing new for video games or movies. Maybe you should look on the bright side and be glad that they even made it and it will bring more people into the tabletop hobby.