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Re: SNEAK PEEK: Marines Confirmations

Nick — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 16:43:26 -0000

dude, termies can get 3+ inv saves with storm shields
and they can exchange their normal weapons for a thunder hammer and ss combo... so... they have better than a 4+ reg inv save. This is only the assault termies though... and i see what you mean about the high toughness weaponry

Re: SNEAK PEEK: Marines Confirmations

rodders — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:50:58 -0000

got hold of my codex yesterday and they rock

but whilst some units have had a dramatic pric cut others are more expensive :(

i expect to see lost of landraider redeemers forging ahead at cruising speed with machine spirit assault cannons blazing

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JTF — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:06:57 -0000

I was rather irritated to see the new rules about Terminator heavy weapons, because I bought and constructed a box of Terminators before reading that and now have a currently unusable squad, but regardless of what the miniutae of the Sternguard squads are I'll be alright. I unearthed about ten figures that were just Marine torsos and legs yesterday and now have a servicable squad of Sternies ready to go

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Razarael — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:26:16 -0000

That is a Roy Batty quote, but earlier in the movie, in the freezer. "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe." is at the very end when he's talking to Deckard. Roy and his C-Beams.

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Savark — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 05:07:16 -0000

10 men tactical squads are 170pts standard

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Buggus — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:59:35 -0000

What you termy guys fail to understand is that saves really dont matter that much in 5th ed. Let along the amount of high str/ranged weapon that are in the other armies. Oh ya you can load them up in a crusader, oh wait that the bulk of your army in just two units. Termies need FNP or at least a four plus reg inv save.

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Guest — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 11:13:05 -0000

A message to all terminators: Look out for the new and improved pariahs. Terminators have 3+ invulnerable what? 8D

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TheLuc — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:48:36 -0000

with this codex it is sure BA/DA/BT will have a adjustment of some sort, seriously all marine players out there rejoice as you get new toys, not like the chaos marine codex that has a been ripped off bad. in 5th ED so far the basic rule set is alot better imo since gameplay is a bit faster but the problem remains that the game balance will be all messed up by the codex and surly new ones that will come out.

GW best move so far is the assault on black reach box otherwise that they still do same mistakes over and over, forcing the player to change instead of adding is bad business and removing or squat treatment is as bad too.

i got my lesson with GW, collect as basic as possible, and play generic stuff otherwise that you will get ripped off, exemple 1996 chaos dex ( the way i collected ) after that the 3.1 came out most chaos players changed and got specialized and now 5th ed codex that is mostly a roll back to the 1996 codex. same goes with the marines.

captain and chappy is always a good choice, librarians since they never sold that much receive a boost get nerf after, and here we go again. the new razorback options will be popular and are also very sensible to change so keeping the old setups are a safe bet but the new weapons options hmmm i would not trust that.

special chars, those are still worthless super rules to sell, nothing more

all the vets varients are a no good too as it is clear the prupose of those is to sell metal minis, expensive and big bucks for GW

new scouts, those are a joke and a bad one, minis are great but are subject to change again.

this dex is all new and shiny but not really new so guys be careful don't go haywire on it, keep those precious buck in your pockets

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DRUMS11 — Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:24:19 -0000

If you haven't looked at the Advanced Orders on the GW site recently, Codes: Space Marines is now $30US.

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atreides — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:56:00 -0000

Hold on a minute, all of you... Chapter Masters and Captains can have digital weapons? I know what they did in Rogue Trader and 2nd. What do they do now?

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abinavjain — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:47:47 -0000

yes SS give 3+ invul against shooting and also in close combat.

that's one of the main reasons for the inter-chapter flame war going on in this thread.

What I would like to see happening is the BoLS admins stepping in and making a stand here.... too many ppl are bitchin and complaining and too many ppl are being alright insulting here...

if you (not you signo) cannot act maturely on the internet then just get out of here... most of the people here are mature (i would at least hope so) and as such none of us need to get into a shouting match here. that's the biggest problem on the internet... that whole anonymity thing.... /sigh

Re: SNEAK PEEK: Marines Confirmations

abinavjain — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:37:56 -0000

chill a little dude...

some of the complaints are justified.... I am a codex marine player myself... and I think when it comes down to the basics, all chapters should have the same wargear... SM/SW/BA/DA/BT should all have storm shields that give 3+ invul save and that all the LRs should be capacity 12 and LRC's capacity 16 and so on...

a lot of the divergent players don't want the new units and special rules and all... they just want a standardization across the board for the same equipment.

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Great Unclean One — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:33:12 -0000

first off... the Horus Heresy BL books are some of the best books for the hobby, so don't be bitchin abt it....
second... so all you ppl dont want the shiny new toys,... i think you should get some of them.... i also blv that the wargear shud be standardized....
im a C:SM player and I will say this... ultramarines ARE the SM studs of the Imperium...

and some ppl say that points cost would radically change if the wargear was standardized.. not in my opinion it wouldnt, considering that the new stuff is costed the same as in existing divergent codexes.

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ZamOne — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:29:05 -0000

then I take 3 vindicators and flamers and missile launchers in my tact squads and flamers for my assault squad. 100 fried lizard chickens made easy.

the theory crafting can continue till we're blue in the face.

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signo93 — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:57:08 -0000

i didn't understand, strm shield gives 3+ invulnerable throw against melee amd fire attack?

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Excal — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:00:19 -0000

well, just speaking out as a BT player; sure, us BT are the only chapter to be able to field LRC as transport options as well as heavy support choices. and also, the standard cost for a normal SM is 16 points, with the ability to use CC and BP or just bolter with nothing else. well, rightous zeal is accounted for, so i guess that balances out the cost of nades for C:SM units. and we also get our vows....and the emperor's champion...and the use of drop pods.

sure, i guess when i look back and re-read the BT codex, we get lots of special rules, such as drop pod assault even if its not listed, etc etc. and i guess i was pretty irked/angry that some of the war gear are totally different. as mentioned in an earlier post, as an example, sure DA get better shotguns, but at least its listed as a reason why: manstopper rounds.

main point here: i'm not really complaining, but i just want an explanation (from GW, not from fluff, arguments, or any of that stuff) saying why a UM stormshield is better than say a BA storm shield, at least make a separate entry (ei, tower storm shields, gives +3 invul save due to its great height vs storm shield, +4 invul save in CC) as to avoid confusion, and as seen on this board, lots of angry customers.

finishing comments are to all players using independent codexes for SM, just chill and wait until the new C:SM coded comes out. maybe they'll tell us something from now till then, maybe GW has heard the angry masses and do release a faq. for now, it'll suck in the short run, but in the long run, have a lil bit of patience.

also, i heard that other races are getting new codexes first, ei IG, Necrons, DE. SW codex is slated last (at least thats what the GW people told me when i asked them about it)

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abhinavjain — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:29:43 -0000

sternguard are elites while vanguard are fast attack.....

i did not see options for reclusiam/librarium command squads... but wth... a few conversions here and there... a few minor rules modifications here and there... voila... u got them!

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abhinavjain — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:23:29 -0000

really? each entry in YOUR codex that is different from MINE is gonna need a fluff page... YOUR chapter is also gonna need some fluff pages....

ur telling me that BA/DA/BT codexes can be rendered down to 10 pages of info? i dont know abt any1 else, but i wud find it insulting if that happened...

each codex is unique in its own way... we regular marines have some advantages over you right now... what you basically want is all those advantages plus the ones you already get... death-raven, death company, 20-man troops and god knows what else....

i hate to say this but you sound like a whiner if you think your "4th ed." repeat "4th ed" is out of date.... SW/Necrons/IG/BT have even older codexes... are they not obsolete?

and why are you all being biased towards regular marines anyways? you guys all get cool stuff in ur codexes that we didnt have in 4th ed... seems like ur looking for the ROYALE WITH CHEESE here... forget it dude... codex marines needed something definitive that clearly set them apart from all you divergent guys... and we got it... it happens to be better than what you have at the moment so you feel the terrible, gnawing urge to complain and whine about it.... got only one thing to say --- suck it up and shut up or get out of the hobby if you cant handle it.....

and personally, i wud like to see you try to incorporate 5 codexes into 1 (C:SM, BA/DA/BT/SW)

Re: SNEAK PEEK: Marines Confirmations

BrassScorpion — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 20:36:28 -0000

A glossary would be helpful. I often find abbreviations on forums a bit mystifying myself.

As for MEQ, this one I know, it's "Marine Equivalent". It means anything in the game that is exactly like or close to being like Space Marines regarding game statistics. This generally refers to Toughness 4, armor save 3+ type troops.

Here's another one you'll see a lot, ATSKNF, which is shorthand for "And They Shall Know No Fear".

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BFT — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:45:39 -0000

this is a general thing, could you post a list of often used abreviations somewhere on the site. I just started coming here and at times don't know whats bieng talked about.

for example- MEQ's???

~Thanks!

Re: SNEAK PEEK: Marines Confirmations

somnicide — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:19:42 -0000

it's also worth mentioning that the machine spirit can fire at a different target.

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UltramarineFan — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:07:20 -0000

After all there are only so many attacks a nightbringer can have

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Chumbalaya — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:44:49 -0000

The book as-is is 150 pages, they can successfully incorporate the current incarnations of the BA and DA with maybe 10 more (most of that being fluff, all you need is special characters to represent their divergences).

As it is, this Codex is taking a lot of things away from the supposedly unique chapters and leave them with very little. DA have Fearless Terminators and Scouting Bikes, BA have Vanguard without Heroic Intervention that use up an elite slot, Baals, and mandatory DC. Everything else goes to new marines, often with more options and for cheaper. That's lame.

As for mix and match, you can do that with the book anyway. Marneus and Kantor make for scoring Sterns and stubborn across the board plus choosing to pass or fail all Ld tests. It looks balanced because all that stuff costs a lot of points and a decent sized army can't possibly incorporate it all. By adding in the BA/DA characters you open up more options for marine players (gamers, DIY-er, DA/BA purists), keep things consistent.

Not looking for a game advantage, I would like to have ==My== Codex not made virtually obsolete only a year after its release.

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Joe — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:28:24 -0000

I'd be very happy if they consolidated all the Space Marine (hurr!) variants into one chapter. Even if they did two codeci: Codex and Minor Divergence (Sallies, White Scars, Ultras, BA, DA) and a second Major Divergence (BT and SW). And I play Space Wolves, about the most divergent chapter. But, it's not going to happen, it's too established and profitable to have at least seven colors of marines (blue, green, red, grey, black and white (but not white and black), silver (GK's), and extra spikey (CSM)). But, it's not going to happen.

Instead, I'll enjoy all the abuse I can get out of the current SW and new SM codex.