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Re: WFB TACTICA: Cauldron of Blood

Steve Shumka — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:27:32 -0000

over all I like it. Hag tea party is not in spirit of the game or the rules; DE rulebook says death hag joins the unit and the unit consists of two hags and 1 cauldron of blood. I will probably use everything else though

Re: WFB TACTICA: Cauldron of Blood

Ben — Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:57:10 -0000

Probably. He seems to be the sort that's "winning first." Which is great in the GT scene (where you need them just to compete against DoC and VC), but won't win you friends in "fun" games.

I wouldn't enjoy playing against it, more like than not, as O&G. And would hate it as something without any warmachines.

That said, still a pretty good article, though I've seen cauldron of blood used very often to good effect.

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Raverrn — Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:47:02 -0000

Two Hydras? Really? Are you the guy that takes Abbadon in 500 point games, too?

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MadLarkin — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 10:43:23 -0000

Great tactica, I never thought the fact that the cauldron could move and still work and executioners and the cauldron seem to go hand in hand.

Honestly I want to see more tacticas like this on BOLS, I found it really interesting and informative about a unit I've never seen used in game (perhaps because of the awkward mini that represents it)

I don't like the hag tea party rule and I personally wouldn't use it but I'm glad you went over it so if I ever did come up against a cauldron I can be aware of it. To me its similar of the gaunts cover save in the open formation, legal but cheap.

Question about the hag tea party, if the hags die then the cauldron does cease to work right? Honestly I'd prefer the hags to leave the cauldron, 3 T3 models with no save wandering in the open is a prime target for a magic missile compared to the protection they get from the cauldron.

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Anonannoyed — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 16:32:37 -0000

Mmmm. Rivets.

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Sixsystems — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 15:45:08 -0000

Thanks for taking the bait. You make this easy!

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intellectawe — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:55:37 -0000

Flashman

"I'm not sure where you or the writer is getting 'shooting' from but in the loss of crew section the BRB says, 'Obviously the machine requires at least one crewman to WORK...' not shoot but work so without crew the cauldron will just sit and sputter."

As I said, it doesn't matter if the crew is with the Cauldron or not, the effect is not dependent on the Cauldron. SO sure, the Cauldron won't 'work', but the power still happens regardless.

Re: WFB TACTICA: Cauldron of Blood

Flashman — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:06:35 -0000

Without the DE book in front of me I'll have to take your word for that. If then, the DE book, explicitly states that the the 'effects' stem from the Crew/Hag, then what is the purpose of the CoB or any of the Warmachine restrictions? Surely they don’t even need it on the table?

Re: WFB TACTICA: Cauldron of Blood

Minus67 — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:31:01 -0000

If you had bothered to read my last article i merely tried to get 40k players to try out fantasy. I have defend my argument everytime and it still work no matter how much it annoys other people. Thanks for reading!

P.S. 40k is an inferior game right now

Re: WFB TACTICA: Cauldron of Blood

Minus67 — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:26:47 -0000

The tactic is only really useful to avoid armies with TONS of shooting. i.e Other Dark Elves.

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Minus67 — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:25:24 -0000

thanks for reading!

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Minus67 — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:25:15 -0000

RAI is a good way to play amongst friends, not for tournaments.

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Minus67 — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:21:21 -0000

the warmachine sections says they can abandon their machine. Go read it, its been quoted several times here. The crew cannot DEPLOY seperately. and only characters can join units. Since the hag is already part of a unit she cannot leave she cannot join another unit.

Re: WFB TACTICA: Cauldron of Blood

Minus67 — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:17:38 -0000

incorrect. the couldron does nothing but look pretty. all effects stem from the crew

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Flashman — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 05:55:12 -0000

I have to say, I love reading the comments on BoLS. They make me LoL for real. -

" They are called Attendants no? And why is that? It is because they attend to the warmachine, i.e. stand right next to it and make it work. Flight attendants dont sit in the airport and ring you if you want sandwich :) " -

This is gold standard.

On the Hag Tea Party a funny concept, cheesy execution. I can't for the life of me see where in the BRB it says that a warmachine cannot 'shoot' without it's crew. Only that it cannot 'work' which in my mind would seem to remove all the CoB functions. Otherwise the article was interesting.

Re: WFB TACTICA: Cauldron of Blood

Flashman — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 05:21:43 -0000

I'm not sure where you or the writer is getting 'shooting' from but in the loss of crew section the BRB says, 'Obviously the machine requires at least one crewman to WORK...' not shoot but work so without crew the cauldron will just sit and sputter.

Re: WFB TACTICA: Cauldron of Blood

anonymous — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:30:20 -0000

ITT: Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls.

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Kraggi — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:07:29 -0000

I don't normally feel the need to comment on articles unless they are REALLY REALLY good.

I am impressed with this and hope to see more of these Warhammer Articles on BoLS.

Dark Elves are my First Warhammer army and still hold a special place in my heart, cause even in the hold rules where they were supposed to be weak I could still win well over half my games.

I think that some of the complaining comes from people not really reading the article. It does clearly state

"DIRTY TRICKS
Now here are nasty tricks you can pull with this thing."

Now to me I am glad to read about em. Now I know the following things:

1. How to do them (should I wish to)
2. How to beat em (which should be no.1 as it is FAR more important).

I play in the spirit of the game and that means to me I wouldnt do the Hag Tea Party, but if someone else wants to when I am using my Wood Elves then thats just cool. I now know about it and am able to expect it and therefore combat it.

Lots of people have also pointed out quite rightly that if you dont like someone doing this to you then dont play them. That simple... end of story.

Why is everyone moaning about this. All of the articles on the Site that tell you about the 'Dirty Tricks' have two effects.

1. Tell people how to do it
2. Tell people about it, so they can prepare for it (have I said this before?).

And for all your slamming of the writers of these articles they may not have discovered the rule as much as had it used against em.

Finally (in what has become a long comment) I personnaly find all of the other combinations and ideas far far more scary than the Hag wandering off for a tea party in the woods.....

Re: WFB TACTICA: Cauldron of Blood

Sixsystems — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:18:22 -0000

'bout time we got to some fantasy tactica???

I signed on for some 40k, not unicorns. Not that I have any false impressions about being missed, but I can see other websites catching my attention if this site changes from big, bad-ass tanks to weak, horse drawn buggies....

Aside from that, the last time minus67 pasted his shit on this site he essentially called 40k an inferior game. Why would you bring this joker back? Not that it really matters as his article has stirred up more hate than I could in a week and he continues to besmirch his reputation here. Now that I'm thinking about it- keep the lad writing! It will be amusing as hell to watch him fail to adequately defend his positions time after time after time....

Re: WFB TACTICA: Cauldron of Blood

Sixsystems — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:12:53 -0000

Heh. Thirded!

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Chumbalaya — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:41:04 -0000

Death Hag Tea Party...

You fail.

Re: WFB TACTICA: Cauldron of Blood

John — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:10:53 -0000

Eric- I shouldn't waited until i had the rule book in front of me, that quote is from something else I read that must be RAI. the intent of the last paragraph on page 86 is clearly in order to crew another machine. Yeah, they stupidly put that word "perhaps" in there. Using "perhaps" as the loophole to give credence to the crew being able to do whateverv the hell it wants is no different than me changing "a War Machine that is not crewed cannot shoot." to "a War Machine that is not crewed cannot operate" its the same parsing of words. which is BS..because the intent
of how a Warmachine and its crew is supposed to function is clearly there. if they wanted the Cauldron to function the way Minus claims they would called it a monster instead of a war machine. Or spelled it clearly in the unit description.

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Eric — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:14:25 -0000

on the tea party debacle:
I see the concept that's being angled here, that the Ability is derived from the Attendents but has its focus point on the Cauldron. That much is true, but at that point you have to contend with pg85-86. Specfically the "Obviously, the machine requires at least one crewman to work, so the machine will become useless should all its crew be slain."
Before you try to argue that its only in connection with crew being slain, you have to observe the facet that Warmachines are like binary switches. They're either on or off. The Loss of Crew section details when the warmachine is "off" or rather, it has no crew. Meaning anything the Warmachine is attempting to do will fail/not work/etc.

One logical leap here I'd surmise that the Crew still are able to act and do their
thing but the Warmachine can't. Would the game effect then be something along the lines of "Attendents use ability X but get 0" range"

Lastly, the tactic does have the fatal flaw that others have pointed out. The second an enemy unit touches it, it's dead. With a downside that huge that only requires your opponent to spend minimal effort, why bother even suggesting such a controversial tactic?

Re: WFB TACTICA: Cauldron of Blood

Eric — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:02:42 -0000

Panic? Which section, I'm trying to find it. I know they're referring to Last sentence on pg86 as far as abandoning goes.

Re: WFB TACTICA: Cauldron of Blood

Rich B — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:37:14 -0000

Nice one Minus67, a really good, informative article with something for everyone :-) I'll certainly be looking at picking one of these up, especially if the rumours of a new sculpt in wave 2 pan out to be correct.

My only complaint is that the Tea Party thingamajig is the only entry that really belongs in the Dirty Tricks section, all the others are "harsh but fair" in my book ;-)

I'm fairly confident I'll never run into the Tea Party filth in my gaming group but if you like to play hardball and play against equally hard-nosed RAW lawyers all the time then go for it... Whatever floats your boat...

Rich